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ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

Im upsizing my disk on my notebook.

I booted with the SRD and did a cold backup of my entire c drive (running windows 7) to another drive attached via USB. Im assuming because this was successful that the SRD had the necessary sata drivers.

I then removed my c drive and installed a new larger drive.

I then booted my SRD again and it mentioned something about initialisation which I did.

Trouble is, my USB drive, which contains my recovery point comes up as the C drive and it does not display the new drive at all for me to select as the target.

The BIOS recognises the drive and the SME part utility recognises it.

What step am I missing please?

Thanks

David 

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Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

I know it's a little confusing at that point.  But after you select the image to restore, the next screen will make more sense and show the empty drive as the target.

Dave

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

Im upsizing my disk on my notebook.

I booted with the SRD and did a cold backup of my entire c drive (running windows 7) to another drive attached via USB. Im assuming because this was successful that the SRD had the necessary sata drivers.

I then removed my c drive and installed a new larger drive.

I then booted my SRD again and it mentioned something about initialisation which I did.

Trouble is, my USB drive, which contains my recovery point comes up as the C drive and it does not display the new drive at all for me to select as the target.

The BIOS recognises the drive and the SME part utility recognises it.

What step am I missing please?

Thanks

David 

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

Thanks heaps for your quick response.

On the drives to recover screen it says the target is disk1.

When I click on edit I have two entries for disk 1.

The first is 69gb with the volume name of the original backup. This was the amount of data I originally backed up from the old C drive. With this selected as the target I do not get the option to resize the drive.

The second option is 629GB unallocated. If I select this option I do get a chance to resize the drive to a max of 644077. My target drive is 750gb however. This does not make sense. If I select the first 69gb Im thinking I will get a c drive of 69gb with the rest left as unallocated space which is not what I want. if i select the second 629gb unallocated space its as though its "reserving" 69gb for what?

With both options the restore MBR is greyed out which I thought I had to select.

Any clarifications please?

Thanks

David

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

Thanks, but it still leaves a few questions.

With a cold backup of a win7 C drive do I have an SRP or not?

And why do I not have the option to select restore MBR?

I deleted the "phantom" 69gb space on disk1 and I end up with 699GB unallocated space. Thats OK. But I still dont have the option to select restore MBR?

Thanks

David

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive


lembasts wrote:

do I have an SRP or not?


It should have been present in the partitions to backup window. A 100 MB partition. If you didn't see it you probably don't have one. Even if you missed it you can still make Win7 boot.

I don't know why you can't restore the MBR. But go ahead anyway. Restoring the MBR is only essential if you have a "special" MBR. You don't. You already have a generic MBR which will be OK.

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Kudos1

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

When you learn something the hard way and waste alot of time but end up with a solution, one should tell the story for others to benefit.

Once upon a time....

I have Ghost 15 and have created a SRD.

I was running out of space on my notebook hard drive. My notebook is running Windows 7 Ultimate (32bit).

My thoughts were to use the SRD to do a cold backup of everything on the internal notebook drive to a USB hard drive. I then remove the current internal drive and replace it with a brand new larger drive (750GB). I then boot with the SRD and restore everything from recovery point on the USB drive to the new drive. A perfect use for ghost and something I thought would be very simple.

One thing to note is an assumption based on my previous use of an earlier version of ghost about 8 years ago. In those days I would "clone" an entire drive to a backup. Whether that drive had multiple partitions or not was irrelevant. I didnt care which partition had the MBR or which had the OS. I just pointed to the entire drive and could back up and restore easily.

I thought ghost 15 would do the same - my first mistake. When I used the SRD to back up the existing drive, I couldnt just point the the drive and say back up everything as I did in the past. What came up was the C drive as expected (about 69gb) and an F drive of about 5GB. These I had to back up to separate recovery point files. I didnt know what this F drive was so I backed it up but subsequently ignored it. This was another fatal mistake.

I installed the new internal notebook drive and booted from the SRD. I received some message about initialisation so I thought I was on to a winner as my new drive had been recognised.

I then selected "recover my computer". I pointed to the recovery point of my C drive on the USB HD and it then came up with a screen saying the target was DISK1. I clicked the edit button which displayed my 69GB C drive on DISK1 and an entry for about 640GB of unallocated space. There was also a reference to DISK2 which was my USB HD. This screen confused me. I thought there was some existing 69GB partition on DISK1 which was impossible as it was a new drive. I had no idea what the screen was trying to tell me. I also could not resize the drive from the original 69GB. Anyway I restored this and tried to reboot. Failure.

From the responses in this thread I thought that this time I would restore using the unallocated space on DISK1. So i left the 69gb it was displaying on DISK1 (still not knowing what it was trying to tell me) and selected the unallocated space. This allowed me to resize the drive but not to restore the MBR. I restored that and tried to reboot. Failure.

Next I thought this "phantom" 69gb on DISK1 had to go. So in the edit screen I deleted this and had just one entry of unallocated space. This I liked. I selected this as the target and resized the drive but still couldnt restore the MBR. I restored and rebooted. Failure.

I then thought about the other little drive I backed up (F). What if this was some weird little partition which contained the MBR? So this time I added the F drive so that both the C and F drive recovery points were being restored. Bingo! With the F drive I could select "restore MBR" and I could resize the C drive and told ghost it contained the OS. I restored and rebooted. Success!!!

So the moral is: Dont rely on knowledge of a previous version of a product. I came from a background of backing up an entire drive with all its partitions to a single file. Ghost 15 wants to back up each partition on an entire drive to its own recovery point file.

Also, when restoring an entire drive then make sure you select all recovery point files ( I still dont know what this F drive thing was - must be some weird thing retailers do when preloading an OS onto a notebook.). In my case the C drive did not contain the MBR which caused me grief.

Lastly, when you click the edit button and you see a "phantom" partition on the target drive this is merely a suggestion by ghost as to where to put something, not an existing partition on the target drive. Personally I find this interface rather confusing (as you saw earlier).

Anyway the story has a good ending - I have a new large drive in my notebook and everything is fine.

Thanks for your responses and my apologies for troubling you. Hopefully others will find this useful.

Cheers

David

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

David,

Thanks for summarizing your experience. It will help others.

Could I just clarify a few details? You had a few failures. Can you recall the error messages? Failed boots with Win7 can often be easily fixed.

Can you look in Disk Management and tell us about the F: drive? Is it labelled Active, System?

What brand is your computer?

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

Just a comment on booting files. I've helped a few friends with their Dell computers. Win7 was installed and there was no SRP. They had a Dell Diagnostic partition, a Win7 partition and a Recovery (Backup of OS) partition. I was stunned when I noticed the Recovery partition (10 GB) was the System, Active partition. It contained the Win7 booting files.

So to backup Win7 you also had to backup the Backup partition. Not very sensible. We moved the booting files into the Win7 partition instead.

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

Hi,

    The boot failure symptom was that the message "press any key to boot from cd" stayed on the screen and didnt move. I had the SRD CD in at the time. So I suppose it went to boot the hard drive and was unsuccessful so remained on that screen.

I have since found out that its a windows 7 thing. When you install Win7 and say you want to create only a big C drive, it creates another small partition which is some sort of recovery partition without a drive letter. Regardless of why it does this, my experience shows not to assume you only have one partition called the C drive and to back up and restore all partitions on a given drive. Better still, see for yourself first by looking at Disk Management in the computer management tool.

The other thing I noticed is that for one PC where I have ghost installed and doing an online backup of my windows 7 system, the partitions it backs up are called "C" and "System Reserved". Whereas using the SRD and doing a cold backup the System Reserved was called drive "F" - even though it had no drive letter. That threw me a bit too - but as I say, just restore everything. When I restored my "F" partition it returned to being the system reserved partition with no drive letter.

My notebook is a lenovo thinkpad R1.

Cheers

David

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

David,

Thanks. If you install Win7 into unallocated space you get a SRP. If you install Win7 into an existing partition you don't get a SRP. If you aren't using BitLocker the SRP is just a useless pain. it is easy to remove.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=409

If you don't have Win7 Ultimate, you can't use BitLocker anyway.

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive


Brian_K wrote:

Just a comment on booting files. I've helped a few friends with their Dell computers. Win7 was installed and there was no SRP. They had a Dell Diagnostic partition, a Win7 partition and a Recovery (Backup of OS) partition. I was stunned when I noticed the Recovery partition (10 GB) was the System, Active partition. It contained the Win7 booting files.

So to backup Win7 you also had to backup the Backup partition. Not very sensible. We moved the booting files into the Win7 partition instead.


I just had to get my wife a new Asus laptop. It has a 16.6GB active partition that must contain the boot files as well as the system recovery.

What a shame that they put the recovery files in that location, it's much easier to reclaim that space when it's the last partition.

Dave

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

Dave,

Does that 16.6 GB partition precede Win7 on the HD?

Edit.... I know your approach is the same as mine. Zap the recovery partition.

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

Yes, it's the first partition, just like a SRP.

This new laptop came with Windows 7 Home Premium so it doesn't even need a SRP, no bitlocker.

She had a HP running windows XP that died but I remember the recovery partition was after the C drive so I just deleted it and resized the partitions.

I haven't decited if I'm going to wack it yet, I'm still trying to remove some of the junk and get her stuff setup.

On my laptops, the very first thing I do is format the drives and re-install windows clean without all the junk.

I think it would have been quicker doing it that way but she already setup a few of her programs.

Dave

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

I wacked it.

This think had Windows 7 64bit but it only has 4GB of RAM.  I went ahead and reloaded Windows 7 32bit and even though I lost half a gig of memory because of the vid card the system runs much noticeably better especially without all the added junk, programs and trials.

I used partition wizzard to delete both the recovery and windows partition, made a new one in its place and installed windows into it so I didn't end up with a SRP.

Even without all the extra programs and junk I could swear 32bit runs better than 64bit.

Dave

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive


DaveH wrote:
I could swear 32bit runs better than 64bit.

Interesting observation.

Kudos0

Re: ghost 15 srd wont recognise new hard drive

David,

Your new HD doesn't contain a partition so it won't have a drive letter. That's OK. The USB HD being C: drive is OK. Ghost initialized the new HD (wrote boot code and a disk signature) so it knows it is there. SME part utility sees it too. Look for a drive with unallocated space. That will be your target.

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