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Kudos0

How long should it take to optimize?

I just got NIS 2010. Most everything seems to be working fine. I tried to optimize, but it was still running after over 2 hours & 15 minutes. I cancelled it. Should it take this long? How long should it take? How often should you optimize & will it run automatically when my computer is idle?

I have Vista Home Premium 64 bit.

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Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


mab57 wrote:

I just got NIS 2010. Most everything seems to be working fine. I tried to optimize, but it was still running after over 2 hours & 15 minutes. I cancelled it. Should it take this long? How long should it take? How often should you optimize & will it run automatically when my computer is idle?

I have Vista Home Premium 64 bit.


How long it takes is dependant on how quick your PC plus how big your drive is and how fragemented it is.

It will not run automatically you have to kick it off manually as often as you feel necessary..

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Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


mdturner wrote:

How long it takes is dependant on how quick your PC plus how big your drive is and how fragemented it is.

It will not run automatically you have to kick it off manually as often as you feel necessary..


Actually by default it will run automatically, unless you turn off the "Idle time optimizer" setting in the MISC settings. 

I'm not even really sure why it was even really added.  With XP it makes some sense, but Vista already periodically runs the defragmentation program (which is what NIS 2010 does).

For people with 3rd parry defragmentation programs it is actually harmful since different programs don't place files in exactly the same  way so if a 3rd party defragmentation program defrags the hard drive and the Norton "optimizes" it, the 3rd party program will then have to defrag it again and you end up in a vicious circle.

Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

I don't use a third party defragmenter. About once a month, I run the Vista defragmenter that came on my computer. It always says that my computer is running well & there is no need to defragment. Are you saying that Vista automatically runs the defragmenter weekly. Is it then recommended that you disable the Norton idle time optimizer? 
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

I'm not sure what is recommended.  I just thought it was odd that both Vista and Norton are scheduling the defragmentation program.  This won't cause problems, but it's kind of unnecessary.  Norton supposedly runs the defragmentation program any time new software is installed, to "optimize" your PC.  I've read that the Vista defragmentation program isn't particularly that good since it doesn't optimize free space.  If that's the case, defragmenting too often could actually decrease performance.

Personally I disabled it since I have PerfectDisk defragger.  Even if I didn't I'd probably disable it since I don't want Norton deciding when my PC needs defragging.

Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

it took more then 2 hours on my pc
----------------------------------NIS 20.2.1.22Windows 7 64bit
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Well, for what it's worth, I did turn Idle Time Optimizer OFF, but I see that it has run and 'Optimized' my system anyway!

I'm using Diskeeper with I-FAAST turned ON and I'd certainly prefer that NIS not optimize my system when I've set it not to.

Windows 7 SP1 32bit - NSBU - 22.0.2.17
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


killyourtv wrote:

Well, for what it's worth, I did turn Idle Time Optimizer OFF, but I see that it has run and 'Optimized' my system anyway!

I'm using Diskeeper with I-FAAST turned ON and I'd certainly prefer that NIS not optimize my system when I've set it not to.


Did you reboot your system after you have turned off "Idle Time Optimizer" ?

Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Yes, I'm fairly certain that I did. As I recall it was among the settings I changed right after doing a fresh install of 2010, and I've done a cold boot since then. I'll restart again now, just to be certain, though. Guess I'll go install something afterwards and see if it happens again.
Windows 7 SP1 32bit - NSBU - 22.0.2.17
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

I decided to turn Idle Time Optimizer off. I did that yesterday & have restarted my computer twice. This morning, my computer was idle. When I checked the Norton Tasks, it said that the idle time optimizer ran again, after I had turned it off & rebooted several times. It doesn't appear there is any way to turn it off.Message Edited by mab57 on 09-11-2009 08:53 AM
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

I wasn't even sure what this optimizer was, since the "?" doesn't lead to a description of it.

Why would one have to reboot after disabling it?
Kudos1

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


mab57 wrote:
When I checked the Norton Tasks, it said that the idle time optimizer ran again, after I had turned it off & rebooted several times. It doesn't appear there is any way to turn it off.

That is not good news for those of us who do incremental disk image backups.  After a defragmenting session, disk imaging software will note that files have been moved and will backup those changed file locations, resulting in incremental backups that can be almost as large as a full backup.  For this reason I only defragment the drive when I am ready to do a new full image backup.  In my case, automatic defragmenting whenever the computer is idle would not be helpful.  

Message Edited by SendOfJive on 09-11-2009 11:44 PM
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Hello,

I have disabled "idle time optimizer" and have rebooted the system.  The optimizer function does not start automatically anymore.

Before that optimizer started even if the computer was not in an idle period.

Message Edited by puma_one on 09-12-2009 02:12 AMMessage Edited by puma_one on 09-12-2009 02:12 AM
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


SendOfJive wrote:

That is not good news for those of us who do incremental disk image backups.  After a defragmenting session, disk imaging software will note that files have been moved and will backup those changed file locations, resulting in incremental backups that can be almost as large as a full backup.  For this reason I only defragment the drive when I am ready to do a new full image backup.  In my case, automatic defragmenting whenever the computer is idle would not be helpful.  

Message Edited by SendOfJive on 09-11-2009 11:44 PM

This was a concern of mine during beta testing however the functionality was not deployed in the beta. I have just tested the post installation defrag with Idle Time Optimizer set to OFF.

Procedure:

Idle Time Optimizer set to OFF;

Idle Time set to 2 Minutes;

Reboot;

Installed CCleaner;

Monitored Norton Tasks & Process Explorer;

Only activity was an Idle Quick Scan which is unfortunate since Idle Time Scans is set to OFF - but I guess that's a topic of a new thread.

Win 7 Pro 64 bit SP1 - IE10
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


pugsley16 wrote:

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Only activity was an Idle Quick Scan which is unfortunate since Idle Time Scans is set to OFF - but I guess that's a topic of a new thread.


Same constation, Idle Quick Scan starts although Idle Time Scans is set to off.

Message Edited by puma_one on 09-12-2009 09:55 AM
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Well I gave this a try on the manual optimize. I am now at 4 hours and counting as I am typing. This is the faster of my two computers, there is no way I am going to run this on my slow laptop. Stats: Vista 64bit, 2.5 mhz quad processor, 8g memory, 500 meg hard drive,

I will be turning off this option in the misalaineous setting. Hope it does not want to start again as in previous post.

I vote to remove this optimize program from NIS. I want a good Security Program, not an optimizer program.

sOulbAit

Message Edited by sOulbAit on 09-12-2009 01:33 PMMessage Edited by sOulbAit on 09-12-2009 02:18 PM
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

5 hours and counting. Enough of this, I am closing down this optimizing. :(
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


sOulbAit wrote:

I will be turning off this option in the misalaineous setting. Hope it does not want to start again as in previous post.

I vote to remove this optimize program from NIS. I want a good Security Program, not an optimizer program.

sOulbAit

Message Edited by sOulbAit on 09-12-2009 01:33 PMMessage Edited by sOulbAit on 09-12-2009 02:18 PM

I agree. I'm not a computer expert, but I can't believe this constant optimizing is good for the hard drive. The worst thing is you can't turn if off. It runs every time my computer is idle, even though I turned it off in the settings.

I like pretty much everything about NIS 2010, but I'd like to be able to turn the optimizer off when my computer is idle.

Message Edited by mab57 on 09-12-2009 04:15 PM
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Idle Time Optimizer is in NAV too.

Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


sOulbAit wrote:

I will be turning off this option in the miscellaneous setting. Hope it does not want to start again as in previous post.

I vote to remove this optimize program from NIS. I want a good Security Program, not an optimizer program.

sOulbAit


I agree. I'm not a computer expert, but I can't believe this constant optimizing is good for the hard drive. The worst thing is you can't turn if off. It runs every time my computer is idle, even though I turned it off in the settings.

I like pretty much everything about NIS 2010, but I'd like to be able to turn the optimizer off when my computer is idle.

Message Edited by mab57 on 09-12-2009 04:15 PM

As far as I can determine, NIS2010 uses the native MS defrag engine (defrag.exe). So if you haven't defragged your system for a long time it is quite possible it will take several hours on a 500Gb drive. As a test, you may wish to manually launch the MS defragger to determine how long that will take. (Accessories - System Tools - Disk Defragmenter).

Also, don't confuse Idle Time Optimizer with Idle Time Quick Scan.

Win 7 Pro 64 bit SP1 - IE10
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

I have NAV 2010 also - Win XP - have not seen any evidence of optimizer having run even once.

K

Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

...snipped...

I had answered, but since I'm not familiar with NAV and only NIS, I thought NAV might have 'idle time optimizing' and NIS has to be done manually. Wasn't sure so deleted other reply I had. However, it might be possible your HD doesn't need optimizing quite yet and that's why it hasn't run from what you can tell.

Message Edited by plb4333 on 09-12-2009 09:19 PMMessage Edited by plb4333 on 09-12-2009 09:20 PM
HP Pavilion e9270t - CPU I5 750, 64bit - 6GB RAM - Win7 Premium - Norton Security 2015
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Hello,

"Idle Time Optimizer" is set to OFF and I still have found this in the Norton tasks window (I didn't do any intervention) : 

<<Edit: Image resized for better fit>>

Message Edited by JerryM on 09-13-2009 06:16 PM
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

I think I know what may be happening with the optimizer. It would run a little every time my computer was idle since originally the idle time optimizer was set to on. When I checked Norton tasks it would say it had run, but would say that it had been cancelled. This morning I left my computer on & when it was idle, it ran again. But this time, it said the task was complete. When I checked the performance screen, there was a blue band & it also said that my computer had been optimized on 9/13/09. I believe if you start the optimizer, it will complete the task even if you turn off idle time optimizer. It won't stop until it's finished, regardless if you turn off idle time optimizer in the settings.

In this case, I wouldn't mind leaving it on.  I may turn it on again if I think it's safe & won't harm my hard drive.

Message Edited by mab57 on 09-13-2009 09:42 AMMessage Edited by mab57 on 09-13-2009 09:43 AM
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

mab57,

You seem to have probably found the answer

Message Edited by puma_one on 09-13-2009 08:16 AM
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

As I stated in an earlier post: I ran the optimizer (NIS 2010) manually and it was not completed after 5 hours of running yesterday. I am now running it again today (manually) and will let it goe untill it finishes. I am now up to 3 hours today. Hope it completes some time soon. I'll let you know how long it takes. Heading out to lunch hope it is done by the time I get back.

Computer stats posted in an earlier post.

Thanks

sOulbAit

Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

If you change the option, you have to reboot for the new setting on the Optimize option to take affect.  It will cancel a started routine this way.
Win7 x32 SP1
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Although I have set "Idle time optimzer" to OFF and have rebooted the system I have obtained the result mentionned just above in my precedent post.
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Follow up on previous post. 5 hours of manual optimize yesterday, continued today and it took another 4 hrs and 9 minutes. Wow, it must have really needed it.

Thanks for all the support.

Have a great day.

sOulbAit

Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


sOulbAit wrote:

Follow up on previous post. 5 hours of manual optimize yesterday, continued today and it took another 4 hrs and 9 minutes. Wow, it must have really needed it.

Thanks for all the support.

Have a great day.

sOulbAit


Congratulations

Have you noticed any improvement in PC performance ?

Win 7 Pro 64 bit SP1 - IE10
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Did a reboot and the computer seemed to boot faster. Yaaaa. Also seems like starting programs are faster also. I love that.

Thanks everyone.

sOulbAit

Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Silly me. NAV2010 XP - optimizer had never run and stated that in Norton Tasks - hit the little right arrow and it decided to run.

Started then stopped and waited for Idle time - then finished. Took about 11:25 min.

Assume it just did the Boot sector.?

Ken

Kudos1

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Correct; on Windows XP the default OS Defrag does just the boot drive (C:\Windows for example); on Vista it will do the entire C: drive but in Vista, the OS calls the defrag utility many times to take care of fragmented files in the OS housekeeping.
Win7 x32 SP1
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?

Hi,

The "Optimization" is done on my PC

It took about 4 or 5 hours.


Vista sp2 / NIS 2010
Kudos0

Re: How long should it take to optimize?


mab57 wrote:

I believe if you start the optimizer, it will complete the task even if you turn off idle time optimizer. It won't stop until it's finished, regardless if you turn off idle time optimizer in the settings.


I'm not sure that's right since I turned it off, but manually started it and then canceled it.  It hasn't run since and that was 5 days ago.  Unless it only does as you say if it starts automatically.


dbrisendine wrote:
Correct; on Windows XP the default OS Defrag does just the boot drive (C:\Windows for example); on Vista it will do the entire C: drive but in Vista, the OS calls the defrag utility many times to take care of fragmented files in the OS housekeeping.

In 99% of the cases the boot volume and the C: drive will be the same since in most cases Windows is installed on the C: Drive.  The main reason not to do so is if the system dual boots.  So for most people it wilil work the same on XP and Vista.

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