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Kudos0

is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

Hi Im prob' on my way to soon owning a new laptop (toshiba win7 64bit) I can either delete the bloat by hand or use the decrapifier thing or just use ccleaner?

Thanks for input.

PS: Does anyone know if it will hurt my upcoming new laptop to just use the plug with no battery at first to get it all set up then turn off and install battery and charge?  thnx

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Kudos1

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

I prefer to look at things on a new machine and then uninstall what I don't want by hand.  I use Ccleaner to tidy up, carefully, after saving the backup.

The best thing to do with a new laptop or any computer really, is to have a look at the manual and follow the directions for setup.  It protects your warranty, if nothing else.

Under certain circumstances profanity provides relief denied even to prayer.Mark Twain
Kudos3

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

artfreak,

Don't do a thing unless you have made those recovery media so you can restore to factory state when the system crashes. Not IF but WHEN because it WILL !

Don't delete the hidden recovery partition just to liberate space -- I'm not entirely sure about the Toshiba ones but on HP/Compaq that recovery system will do things that the media will noat; like get you a single driver for something new or reinstall an application that came with the computer that you uninstalled.

Cricket Umpires have a motto: When in doubt say Not Out -- it's a good motto for computer owners too. I do support over on Compuserve and time and again people come in saying I tidied up my computer system and got rid of a lot of stuff I don't need and now it won't work -- what do I do.

Since I suspect that not even Microsoft knows everything about windows how can some third party robot? <g>

By all means Uninstall applications you know you don't want but I bet you have hundreds of GB of hard drive so what does saving a few MB make?

Uncheck things in msconfig if you want to but that's reversible if you need to.

I don't know decrapifier although I've heard it. I do use CCleaner but not on autopilot. If I've uninstalled a program and run it and it lists things I know are associated with that program then I may remove them but again -- why?

Hugh
Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

thank you all good advice :), I had orig' planned on using my own discretion carefully and ccleaner. (So that will be then).

As far as back up, the pc I run now was my first new pc like 3 yrs or more ago, I umm never did back up discs dont even know how (blush), I mean where to intitiate it that is.  I tried it did nt ask for more discs just said wont fit.

The partition thing..that was confusing...I tried to understand what that was about but my regular system back ups say theyve run out of partition space frequently and I never could get it to fix that.

So guess Im asking how I might back up my new laptop, is there a program that'll offer me to do it?  (I assume so?)

What type of discs do need and what size...cd r something?

Ive never burned to many discs other then a few things.

Thanks :)

OH...hey on this new laptop...must I update driver, bios and such..scares the puss out of me I dont wanna foul things up. The old if it works dont fix it thing LOL.

Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

They are two entirely different programs. PCD is a program to help remove the pre-installed bloat your new pc comes with such as trials and games. CCleaner is cookie and temp file cleaner. Its great for erasing your browser history. It has other tools also but as I said they are both different programs and safe to use. Games such as the ones from WildTangent. Driver updating is not nessary unless there are hardware issues which need to be addressed.

Kudos1

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

Hi artfreak,

Windows 7 has a backup feature that you can use.  I would advise backing up to an external hard drive, and using the Windows backup option to create a System image.  Create new backups periodically to keep up with changes on your system.  Then when disaster strikes, you need only restore the latest image and you can fully recover your system in minutes.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/1838/using-backup-and-restore-in-windows-7/

Kudos1

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

Recovery disks are more than just back up.  Most new laptops will pop up a warning to make your recovery disks.  Your manual will undoubtedly tell you how it is done.  We can't tell you how important it is for you to keep those recovery discks.  The image is a photograph of your system that you can use to reinstall everything just like it was on the day of disaster.  It is also different from just a backup

Under certain circumstances profanity provides relief denied even to prayer.Mark Twain
Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

thanks for excellent input . I will do the recovery discs, hopefully it will prompt me or I will find it on there.

Must buy some discs to have ready asap.

I do have a clickfree back up hd but I doubt it could hold all the rescue info and prob should really be on disc.

I do use system back up on the machine and on my external one tho regularly, just never made system recovery discs.

Kudos1

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

artfreak,

Sorry not to come back sooner.

Firstly over simply on partitions

A hard drive is one piece of hardware with disks in it. A partition is logical division made on the hard drive which the computer treats as if it is an individual drive. So you Toshiba will arrive probably with one hard drive (although some have 2) divided into two partitions -- one is labeled C: and contains Windows and all the stuff you and it use; the other will probably be labeled D: and may be hidden so that you cannot see it when you look at Computer but the computer system can see and use it.  Your DVD/CD drivve will get the next letter so will probably be E: (I say proabably because those last two might be the other way round).

So your old PC might refer to a partition being full rather than a drive being full. No need to explain ...

To make recover disks READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!!!

But if you click on START > All Progams and scan all the programs listed -- you may have to click on >> to see them all -- you should find an entry there to do with Recovery and that will do it for you.

You will need DVD writeable disks (don't use RW) and probably 2 or 3 of them so buy one of those packs of 25 on a peg from your usual source.  The recovery manager will in fact tell you how many you will need.

Backup is a seperate operation and is different to making the recovery disks and different to making an image.

Windows 7 does have imaging software in it although I've not used it but once you have made your recovery media and then got the machine set up as you want it including installing Norton Internet Security 2011 <g> installing programs that did not come with it (beware of Microsoft OFFICE which is a trial and you have to buy to keep using unless that is what you do use and you want the latest) and moved your data files over then you should make that image and store it on that external hard drive. It will be compressed so it won't take as much space as the original.

The advantage of the image is that if you use the recovery media you only get back to factory state and have to go through all the setting up again; if you have an image you restore that, even onto a new drive when the old one crashes, and you don't have repeat it all again. I can restore my system in about 12 minutes compared with the hours it would take you otherwise.

Hope that helps rather than confuses.

Over on Compuserve there is a very good Laptop Forum where a number of the staff used to do support for Toshiba and there's also a good PCHardware forum. Why not jump over some time and check it out.

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=ws-laptop

 

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=ws-pchardware 

You can read messages as a visitor but if you log in you can post queries. If you have an AIM ID and password just use that or create a new one on the AOL screen that comes up. Compuserve is part of AOL and is free.

Hugh
Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

Artfreak,

If youcare to post the detailed Toshiba model number I'd be interested to have a look at its specification etc.

Hugh
Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

Thanks for sharing this

important information.

Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/retail-product.jsp?poid=489154

We got this on sale (close out) at staples for 650. I wanted to do what was advised and look for a better video card but the price range we had to shop in (for the incentive program at work) was 600-700, we had to pay postage and tax on that amt too.

So this close out machine was much better quality then the ones orig priced 650, I went and saw them in store.

The quality make of this one just won out over others, in many ways.  Plus Im a big research and review reader.

We dont game, just stream and net, some photo work but basic for most part. We do use a few art programs but again not really too deep.

I really appreciate your assitstance and knowledge :)

I did locate the image copy thing to back it up and put it on my external back up drive. Hoping it was what I needed.

When my discs arrive I will make discs with the toshiba software program it looks easy, tho' Im not sure it specifically calls it windows discs but i will look.  I also activated or it did the daily back up on board.

My other machine (desktop) it never would let me make discs it has this phoenix back up program to make discs and Id try and it would say do full back up first, then it would say partition space to low to do back up then it would not proceed to let me burn discs.  I was stumped.  And affraid to venture onto such maneuvers.

I tried to find where to adjust partition but no go.   I cant even locate how to back up the desktop xp machine externally on my back up drive.  The desktop xp home machine is a small one, 80gb drive.  I think we have like 22 left, I could dump pics onto my external one but still dont know how to fix partition thing.

This toshiba appears to make it easier to do all of that. 

I adjusted msconfig start etc...the new laptop runs smooth now.  I dumped a few things and the links to sites I have no use for.  And I surf from a limited user side.

I did have to remove the norton trial (30 days only) it was running poorly...not updating.

I used the tool after regular removal.

Placed my nis 2011 key in new install..all runs well so far.  Ive not ventured into the 64bit stuff...and older programs yet.  I did see that the 64bit ie is sorta not worth running every site I use says no go.

i do wonder tho' why a blu ray player if its only a 780 p machine? Maybe on output its higher? Cant find it in manual, we dont really care just wondered.

thanks again :)

PS: my new machine cpu runs very low its great my old one hit in the ninties frequently. this one says 2-30% most of time depending on what Im doing.  Im also very careful to have it up on something to stay cool, I do have an aluminum rack w/ fans too I got.

Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

artfreak,

Sounds like a good machine -- here are a few useful links in support.

You've probbly seen where on the Toshiba website you can look up technical information and download updates:

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/support/jsp/modelContent.jsp?ct=SB&os=&category=&moid=2761034&rpn=PSAW0U&modelFilter=&selCategory=2756709&selFamily=1073768663 

I suggest you scan these Support Bulletins just in case you run into any of the problems they mention.  I wouldn't bother about them unless you do except that if you may use that xD card they mention get the update they refer to in case data gets corrupted.

<< When my discs arrive I will make discs with the toshiba software program it looks easy, tho' Im not sure it specifically calls it windows discs but i will look. >>

Those disks are not Windows Discs like the Microsoft ones you can buy but are ususally called Recovery Discs since they won't work on a different computer and restore the system to factory state although as I said some systems can extract an individual application or file.

<< i do wonder tho' why a blu ray player if its only a 780 p machine? Maybe on output its higher? >>

Depending on how large your TV screen is and how far away you view (interrelated) I'm told 780p is good and you may not see any difference with 1080 but I don't know if that is true or not.

I think I'd rather steer clear of the desktop but about << My other machine (desktop) it never would let me make discs it has this phoenix back up program to make discs and Id try and it would say do full back up first, then it would say partition space to low to do back up then it would not proceed to let me burn discs.  I was stumped.  And affraid to venture onto such maneuvers. >> making an image requires space for temporary files before it is sent out to the storage disk and since you have about 60GB used it may be that 22GB free is not enough. The Phoenix system is probably pretty old and may be less efficient than these days.

Let us know how you get on -- glad the NIS went smoothly. I see it has Office Starter as well as the trial of the full Office .

Hugh
Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

thanks :) I do appreciate your input.

I wonder have you run into a high cpu use on a file called: windows audio graphics isolation (audiodg.exe)?

I found some info online about this being a vista/win7 thing that has never been fixed.  It supposedly happens if you use some program to adjust audio sound and effects.  I had done that and after running video it happen so i disabled the effects.

I hope thats all it is about, I have no idea if sound quality can be adjusted elsewhre but anyway.

Hey thanks again :)

Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?


artfreak wrote:

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I wonder have you run into a high cpu use on a file called: windows audio graphics isolation (audiodg.exe)?

I found some info online about this being a vista/win7 thing that has never been fixed.  It supposedly happens if you use some program to adjust audio sound and effects.  I had done that and after running video it happen so i disabled the effects.

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I haven't myself mostly because I use sound very little on my PC <g>

Toshiba do have a link on their support page to their forums (which used to be on Compuserve but they are now run on the same system as here so you will find them familiar!) and they have a good reputation for support. Also on Compuserve there is a Laptop Forum where many of the "staff" were active when Toshba had its presence there so I would ask the question there, if you have not already.

Hugh
Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

thanks  I appreciate the idea, I will check em ' out.  Also I appreciate you connecting me w/ those links! :)

Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

I wanted to say that I was lucky my canon ip4500 and little canon scanner installed very easily today on my new laptop win7 64 :)

I did go to site after to make sure there werent more drivers and programs for it and win7and there were :)

I have found tho' my old works files dont read, have to be transferred to rtf or something else ugh.

Kudos0

Re: is pc decrapifier safe or will ccleaner do the job?

Thanks for the update.

Hugh