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Kudos1

Whats this optimize feature?

Was wondering since when does an AV software include a defragger?

Thanks.

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Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Was wondering since when does an AV software include a defragger?

Thanks.

Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

It may be a nice touch but to me its sneaky. Its not on the product discription and IMO should not be in the package. What does an optimizer have to do with an antivirus? Nothing. I already have an optimizer. Symantec you should remove it from the software. This is wrong. Its off focus to main function the software is suppose to provide. NAV already has a rep for being bloated and I feel this is a bad move!
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


davidm71 wrote:
Its not on the product discription and IMO should not be in the package.

Please see the following web page and look at PC Tune up near the bottom of each product.

http://www.symantec.com/norton/antivirus

You can turn off the optimise feature so that it does not do a full defrag but it will still defrag applications when they are installed.

We look forward to the time when the Power of Love will replace the Love of Power. Then will our world know the blessings of peace. ~William Ewart Gladstone
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Thats still a sneak. If not they should change the name to Norton Internet Security and Optimizer 2010 on the box cover. That feature doesn't have anything to do with the price of beans...

Kudos1

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Good Morning

I did some research, checking to see if there is a possible conflict with my Diskeeper installation. What I found is that the optimizer is not a defragmentation program. It monitors the system folder or drive ( depends on which o/s your using ) and when defragmentation exceeds 10% or a preset value, it calls the system degragmantation program - what ever the registry show as available. and runs it on the system folder or drive ( o/s determined). Mine runs occasionally and is not causing any problems. Hope this helps.

jwc93061

Win8 Pro x64, IE10, PNY GeForce 9600GT, NIS2014 (21.0.1.3) , High Speed DSL through CenturyLink.
Kudos1

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Personally, I hold the opinion that this 'feature' shouldn't be in NIS or NAV either. There was a big debate about this in the Beta forums when 2010 was in beta.

Recent Windows operating systems, such as Vista and Windows 7, have automatic scheduled defragmentation which runs at a regular enough interval to keep the majority of systems happily fragmentation free and the disk performing at it's best.

I don't believe that an Antivirus program should be defragmenting my system everytime I install something. The name 'Optimiser' is stretching the truth a little too, all it does is calls 'defrag.exe c:', it doesn't do anything special, it runs a defrag....wow!

Yes, it can be disabled, but why on earth is it there in the first place in an Antivirus program? It's a feature which increases the cost of the product as someone has to spend time developing it and it's superfluous to users of Vista and Windows 7.

Remove it I say.

_____________________________________________________________________Microsoft Security Essentials 1.0 - Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RTM (Build 7600)Uninstalled NIS 2010 due to the unfixed IPS driver issue - network has never been faster!
Kudos1

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


jwc93061 wrote:

Good Morning

I did some research, checking to see if there is a possible conflict with my Diskeeper installation. What I found is that the optimizer is not a defragmentation program. It monitors the system folder or drive ( depends on which o/s your using ) and when defragmentation exceeds 10% or a preset value, it calls the system degragmantation program - what ever the registry show as available. and runs it on the system folder or drive ( o/s determined). Mine runs occasionally and is not causing any problems. Hope this helps.

jwc93061


It doesn't, it runs when the system is idle after an install is detected by NIS/NAV and it does a defrag of the C: drive by calling defrag.exe (I'm not sure if Diskeeper replaces that file with it's own launcher though, as I haven't used it for ages.)
_____________________________________________________________________Microsoft Security Essentials 1.0 - Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RTM (Build 7600)Uninstalled NIS 2010 due to the unfixed IPS driver issue - network has never been faster!
Kudos2

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

It does call the system defrag utility, WHATEVER software that is.  If a third party defrag program has registered itself as the system defrag utility (Diskeeper is one that will do this) then this is what gets called to run.
Win7 x32 SP1
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Hi:

Just my two cents...

The Optimize funtion (or function call) shouldn't be in an Internet Security Suite - period.

It is just extra and perhaps confusing eye-candy to an already great product.

All IMHO.

Message Edited by Plankton on 10-20-2009 09:56 AM
      Plankton - MCSE, CSQE     - NIS 2009 • NIS 2010 -Windows XP • Vista • 7 • IE 8
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

I find the Optimizer function a real asset to keeping my computers running at the optimum.  I cannot see any reason to avoid it, although that option exists.

 

Can anyone explain anything detrimental about it, especially as it is usually a background function, unless specifically called?

 

I think it's great, along with the rest of the features on NIS 2010.

 

drshlomo.

Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Hello drshlomo:

I would like to respond...

The Optimizer "function" just clutters the UI and settings.

Any person who doesn't understand the purpose of it will only be confused.

It's overkill, IMHO.

Hope this helps.

Message Edited by Plankton on 10-20-2009 10:17 AM
      Plankton - MCSE, CSQE     - NIS 2009 • NIS 2010 -Windows XP • Vista • 7 • IE 8
Kudos1

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

I think that the Optimizer is a very useful asset to computer housekeeping.

You can also read this thread discussing the Optimizer over here:

http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=nis_feedback&thread.id=72493

Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Hi:

A Network Security program shouldn't be doing simple housekeeping.

      Plankton - MCSE, CSQE     - NIS 2009 • NIS 2010 -Windows XP • Vista • 7 • IE 8
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


Plankton wrote:

Hi:

A Network Security program shouldn't be doing simple housekeeping.


I agree. I also agree that it is overkill. System housekeeping is not in an Antivirus program's remit. Whilst they are wasting the time 'developing' this pointless feature, they are not spending time working on malware detection, or the somewhat flawed File insight system.

_____________________________________________________________________Microsoft Security Essentials 1.0 - Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RTM (Build 7600)Uninstalled NIS 2010 due to the unfixed IPS driver issue - network has never been faster!
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

They should just change the name of the product to Nis Suite 2010 instead. Might as well throw in Norton utilities and have it make a cup of coffee too! They're probably trying to market against Ashampoo and Iolo which have a Swiss army knife set of features. I'm just in the opinion that an antivirus should use the least amount of system resources as possible.
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Bad for Solid State Disks!
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Hi! All,

I must rain on your parade.  As a PC Service Tech, I have many clients who use NIS at my recommendation; having the ability to launch a defrag from within the security suite gives them peace of mind and makes things less complicated.  Most of them do not understand Norton 360 and it only irritates them that they have to look for the defrag program.  So as far as I am concerned Symantec did the right thing in considering these users of their software as well even if it makes some cranky.

Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


Tech83 wrote:

Hi! All,

I must rain on your parade.  As a PC Service Tech, I have many clients who use NIS at my recommendation; having the ability to launch a defrag from within the security suite gives them peace of mind and makes things less complicated.  Most of them do not understand Norton 360 and it only irritates them that they have to look for the defrag program.  So as far as I am concerned Symantec did the right thing in considering these users of their software as well even if it makes some cranky.


Unneccessary features being added into a product means that there is less time spent on making the neccessary features work properly, not to mention the extra cost involved. It's pointless being a jack of all trades but yet a master of none. Symantec should stick to it's remit and make Norton the best network security program...not the one with the most 'features'.

If people want a defragmentation program, the Windows defragger is very simple to use and if they can't use that, I'm surprised they can switch the computer on in the first place!!

Message Edited by metalhead82 on 21-10-2009 06:33 AM
_____________________________________________________________________Microsoft Security Essentials 1.0 - Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RTM (Build 7600)Uninstalled NIS 2010 due to the unfixed IPS driver issue - network has never been faster!
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Hi! Metalhead82,

I mostly was referring to the elderly and children;  if you feel comfortable insulting those age groups fine.  To each his own.

It has been pointed out that my prior statement was offensive.  My apologizes. Please forgive me.  Please note the previous statement has been striked out and should be ignored.  It would seem I had a moment of jerkitus; again my apologizes.

Message Edited by Tech83 on 10-21-2009 01:37 AMMessage Edited by Tech83 on 10-21-2009 01:48 AM
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


Tech83 wrote:

Hi! Metalhead82,

I mostly was refering to the elderly and children;  if you feel comfortable insulting those age groups fine.  To each his own.


Hi Tech83

I do not think that metalhead82 (or anyone else) would have been able to ascertain from your previous posts in this thread that you were referring to children and the elderly.

Message Edited by mdturner on 21-10-2009 07:15 AM
We look forward to the time when the Power of Love will replace the Love of Power. Then will our world know the blessings of peace. ~William Ewart Gladstone
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

MetalHead82,

My apologizes on my prior statement; I admit it was being a jerk on my part.

Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Tech83 -

No reason for the apology; everybody is entitled to their own opinion here.  I think that having a defrag reminder in a suite that constantly downloads definitions and generates multiple logs is a good thing. 

Win7 x32 SP1
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Dbrisendine,

It does not excuse my rude and unprofessional attitude. :(  And Metalhead82 as well as other forum readers do deserve an apology.

Please do not get me wrong I appreciate your statement, but as said earlier I was rude and unprofessional.

Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

So I was looking at the description of all the other antivirus products symantec offers and the NIS 2010 is the only one that offers antispam features while the 360 and the regular antivirus do not offer antispam. But the 360 offers the backup and restore feature while all the others do not while still lacking optimization features so I guess they should rename it Norton 270 instead...

I just want to make it clear though that since 2009 I love their Antivirus feature. It did wonders curing a worm problem I had once. I just think that this optimization feature is misplaced and should be in another product. Its bad for SSDs which will die an early death if optimized frequently. I wish someone at Symantec will take note of this discussion and throw this feature into the 360 product instead to make all these folks who have no idea what it is to optimize a drive happy, and make guys like me who just want NIS without the bells and whistles happy...

Thanks.

Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


davidm71 wrote:

So I was looking at the description of all the other antivirus products symantec offers and the NIS 2010 is the only one that offers antispam features while the 360 and the regular antivirus do not offer antispam. But the 360 offers the backup and restore feature while all the others do not while still lacking optimization features so I guess they should rename it Norton 270 instead...

I just want to make it clear though that since 2009 I love their Antivirus feature. It did wonders curing a worm problem I had once. I just think that this optimization feature is misplaced and should be in another product. Its bad for SSDs which will die an early death if optimized frequently. I wish someone at Symantec will take note of this discussion and throw this feature into the 360 product instead to make all these folks who have no idea what it is to optimize a drive happy, and make guys like me who just want NIS without the bells and whistles happy...

Thanks.


Hi davidm71

Perhaps you missed it in the descriptions you were looking at but Norton 360 does have anti-spam.

We look forward to the time when the Power of Love will replace the Love of Power. Then will our world know the blessings of peace. ~William Ewart Gladstone
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

davidm71:

As mdturner has pointed out, Norton 360 includes an antispam feature. You can read more over here:

http://www.symantec.com/norton/security_response/spam.jsp

I also copied the following from the webpage above:

Both Norton Internet Security™ and Norton 360™ offer antispam capability to automatically filter out annoying, dangerous or fraudulent emails from your inbox.

Message Edited by Yaso_Kuuhl on 10-21-2009 02:38 PM
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


davidm71 wrote:


They should just change the name of the product to Nis Suite 2010 instead. Might as well throw in Norton utilities and have it make a cup of coffee too! They're probably trying to market against Ashampoo and Iolo which have a Swiss army knife set of features. I'm just in the opinion that an antivirus should use the least amount of system resources as possible.


Your hypothetical 'NIS 2010 + bonus Norton Utilities' product combination already exists as I bought this combo as a retail package a couple of weeks ago. Missing the coffee vouchers though!

If I install the Norton Utilities software do I now have three 'defrag' utilities looking after my disks?

Message Edited by elsewhere on 10-22-2009 03:51 AM
Kudos1

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


metalhead82 wrote:

Personally, I hold the opinion that this 'feature' shouldn't be in NIS or NAV either. There was a big debate about this in the Beta forums when 2010 was in beta.

Recent Windows operating systems, such as Vista and Windows 7, have automatic scheduled defragmentation which runs at a regular enough interval to keep the majority of systems happily fragmentation free and the disk performing at it's best.

I don't believe that an Antivirus program should be defragmenting my system everytime I install something. The name 'Optimiser' is stretching the truth a little too, all it does is calls 'defrag.exe c:', it doesn't do anything special, it runs a defrag....wow!

Yes, it can be disabled, but why on earth is it there in the first place in an Antivirus program? It's a feature which increases the cost of the product as someone has to spend time developing it and it's superfluous to users of Vista and Windows 7.

Remove it I say.


I agree with metalhead82, this so called optimizer should not be incorporated into NIS or NAV. With the introduction of superfluous junk like this there is a real danger of returning to the bloat that made people abandon Norton products in droves just a few years ago. Symantec, if you're listening, at least make this optimizer an option that users can choose to opt out of during the installation process.

Kudos3

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Turbo wrote:-

 

 With the introduction of superfluous junk like this there is a real danger of returning to the bloat that made people abandon Norton products in droves just a few years ago.

.......................................................................................................

Calling a Norton feature "Junk" is, in my opinion, highly insulting to the Symantec employees who work so hard to produce such an excellent product.  Also, so many of us really appreciate this item, even if you do not.

How do you know if people were driven away and, if so, for what reason?

I think that it would be far better if you kept to known facts and express your opinions without degrading others.

drshlomo.

Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

drshlomo, I'm very happy that you appreciate this item, but if you take the time to re-read this thread, you will quickly see that others do not appreciate it at all.

drshlomo wrote:

How do you know if people were driven away and, if so, for what reason?

It is common knowledge that Symantec lost a lot of business until they came out with the 2009 line of products, one of the reasons was bloat, which I specifically mentioned in my post, maybe you should read it again.

drshlomo wrote: 

I think that it would be far better if you kept to known facts and express your opinions without degrading others.

What I stated about Norton losing business due to a bloated product is a known fact. The only opinion I offered is that I don't like the optimizer feature, others in this thread share my opinion. None of us degraded anyone. If you have an axe to grind, grind it somewhere else.
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Hey folks:

IMO, this thread should be marked closed as this point, as it is really counterproductive!

Enough.

      Plankton - MCSE, CSQE     - NIS 2009 • NIS 2010 -Windows XP • Vista • 7 • IE 8
Kudos1

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

drshlomo, Turbo is right about bloat driving people away from Norton along with poor performance and resource hogging, which is why they had to step up their act which they did with 2009. There is no denying that.

Norton should be kept as simple as possible, with a featureset that is relevant and necessary to an Antivirus or Internet Security program.

I also agree completely with Planktons comment:

Hey folks:

IMO, this thread should be marked closed as this point, as it is really counterproductive!

Enough.

I think everything has been said that needs to be, lets be adult and agree to disagree.

_____________________________________________________________________Microsoft Security Essentials 1.0 - Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RTM (Build 7600)Uninstalled NIS 2010 due to the unfixed IPS driver issue - network has never been faster!
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


metalhead82 wrote:

drshlomo, Turbo is right about bloat driving people away from Norton along with poor performance and resource hogging, which is why they had to step up their act which they did with 2009. There is no denying that.

Norton should be kept as simple as possible, with a featureset that is relevant and necessary to an Antivirus or Internet Security program.

I also agree completely with Planktons comment:

Hey folks:

IMO, this thread should be marked closed as this point, as it is really counterproductive!

Enough.

I think everything has been said that needs to be, lets be adult and agree to disagree.


Hi metalhead82 

davidm71, as the originator of the thread, should ask for the thread to be closed by using the "report abuse to moderator" link.

We look forward to the time when the Power of Love will replace the Love of Power. Then will our world know the blessings of peace. ~William Ewart Gladstone
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

metalhead82 wrote:

Norton should be kept as simple as possible, with a featureset that is relevant and necessary to an Antivirus or Internet Security program.



That sums up my own feelings in a nutshell, I couldn't have said it better.
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

So far it seems the arguement has remained healthy and productive. I haven't noticed any name calling so I am not going to ask that the thread be shut down just becuase a different point of view is being expressed. I wonder if there is anyway we could put this to a poll or vote. Some forums allow polls. Not sure about this one.

But what I do know is this. NIS before 2009 was slow and had a reputation for being a hog and filled with bloat. Since then they have made an amazing product. Saved my behind last year when BD AV failed to resolve a security threat that I had. But I feel they took two steps back with the inclusion of the optimize feature. Was a good idea but thats not what an AV software is suppose to do.

Even last night NIS 2010 was thrashing my hard drive doing idle time scans while I was playing Batman Arkham despite puting that game's three executables on the silent mode list. I could tell becuase I ran Windows 7 Resource monitor and three different NIS services were running until I disabled idle time scanning. I like that feature but it was suppose to go silent while playing that game and it didn't.

So there you have it...

Kudos2

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

davidm71 -

Just FYI about the Idle Time scan - if you have never had a Idle Time Full System Scan, Norton will force that to run until complete (after so many interruptions that is).  Once that is accomplished, Norton will happily obey the Silent mode.  This is to insure the user's system has at least once been scanned completely.

Win7 x32 SP1
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Just thought I'd toss in this observation:  After the optimizer feature ran, I went into XP's own defrag program to analyze the results and found the organization of files far more compact, with no fragmented files apparent at all on the visual display, as compared to the way things look after I run Windows' defrag program.  I've read on this forum that Norton's optimizer just starts up the Windows program, but the results on my system looked better for some reason.
Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?


dbrisendine wrote:

davidm71 -

Just FYI about the Idle Time scan - if you have never had a Idle Time Full System Scan, Norton will force that to run until complete (after so many interruptions that is).  Once that is accomplished, Norton will happily obey the Silent mode.  This is to insure the user's system has at least once been scanned completely.


Or you can turn idle time scan completely and run the ful scans manually by yourself.
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Kudos0

Re: Whats this optimize feature?

Hi! Davidm71,

I personally think the inclusion of the defragger as you put it is a very nice touch.  Most people do not think a defragmentation program as a security tool but as a maintenance tool.  In my opinion it is both.  If a system is well defragmenter then a user is more likely to notice the slow downs caused by a malware infection; plus users a more apt to run the security scanner/AV scanner more frequently to keep their system clean.  Besides speeding things up it makes it easier for security updates to be installed and utilized.  This offers you the user the best protection available.

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