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dietche
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Re: NIS2009--Program windows vanish, scan won't run, can't uninstall/reinstall

 

 


There's a whole bunch of individual things there all of which I've seen reported by people here at one time or another although I don't think I've seen quick scan OK full scan not -- did you try turning off checking inside compressed files? There have been reports of it running into a problem on a file inside and not exiting with an error report. Symantec point out it is not as dangerous as it might seem to turn this off since even with it off the files inside will be checked the moment one is accessed. 

 

 

Ah. No, I have not tried that. When I get a moment, I'll be sure to attempt it with that setting toggled and letcha know.

 

 

 

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Re: NIS2009--Program windows vanish, scan won't run, can't uninstall/reinstall

Fingers crossed ....


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dietche
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Re: NIS2009--Program windows vanish, scan won't run, can't uninstall/reinstall

Well ... the full scan ran for about 6 minutes, after toggling 'scan inside zip' off, and then the window just vanished again, like it was doing originally. Heh.

 

I've managed to get a burn of the Recovery tool done, but the store at symantec isn't working right so I'm currently having problems purchasing the damned program, LOL. The site itself, symantec.com is fine, and you can navigate pages quickly, but store.symantec.com is totally whacked out... won't even let me view my cart or add things to it. Go figure. I'll keep trying to buy the **bleep** thing and get the key I need to make the Recovery tool work. 

--D 

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dietche
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Re: NIS2009--Program windows vanish, scan won't run, can't uninstall/reinstall

Ok, so check this out. I used my machine to buy the product for my parents using their credit card since the Symantec store didn't want to function on their machine. So far so good. We get the cdkey in the email. So far so good. Except, not at all.

 

We reboot into the Recovery Tool CD. It starts loading, asks us about wanting English, she clicks ok.

 

It asks us for a key, and on that same panel, it has an EULA and a box to click that we agree to it, and an ok button.

 

She types in the cdkey, very carefully, and I'm listening to her on the phone, matching the key to her typing. As soon as she types the last character of the cdkey into the 5 boxes it flipping reboots. It doesn't even wait for her to click the EULA check box or hit ok or anything, it just flipping reboots. 

 

I think, ok, fine, maybe the program is burning something back to the disk and it'll reboot and update and scan now.... except, nope.

 

It reboots, goes back into the Recovery CD, autoaccepts English, flashes "updating program" for just a **bleep** quick second, and puts the same window up again asking for the key and the EULA. We take a moment to roll our eyes. She begins typing the key in again, and before she even gets half way done typing the key in, it reboots *again*. Just, poof.

 

So, I'm like done. I'm just gonna fly out there and beat this thing into submission.  Thanks again fer all yer help gang.

--Disgruntled Dietche 

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mijcar
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Re: NIS2009--Program windows vanish, scan won't run, can't uninstall/reinstall

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dietche wrote:
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We reboot into the Recovery Tool CD. It starts loading, asks us about wanting English, she clicks ok.

 

It asks us for a key, and on that same panel, it has an EULA and a box to click that we agree to it, and an ok button.

 

She types in the cdkey, very carefully, and I'm listening to her on the phone, matching the key to her typing. As soon as she types the last character of the cdkey into the 5 boxes it flipping reboots. It doesn't even wait for her to click the EULA check box or hit ok or anything, it just flipping reboots. 

 

I think, ok, fine, maybe the program is burning something back to the disk and it'll reboot and update and scan now.... except, nope.

 

It reboots, goes back into the Recovery CD, autoaccepts English, flashes "updating program" for just a **bleep** quick second, and puts the same window up again asking for the key and the EULA. We take a moment to roll our eyes. She begins typing the key in again, and before she even gets half way done typing the key in, it reboots *again*. Just, poof.

 

So, I'm like done. I'm just gonna fly out there and beat this thing into submission.  Thanks again fer all yer help gang.

--Disgruntled Dietche 


D, something is wrong here.  It doesn't match expected behavior.  I've tested this on a dozen machines (and on our own 3 machines frequently).  If the Key is wrong, the screen stays the same and tells you the key is wrong.  If the key is right, it updates the sigs into RAM meanwhile giving you a screen showing that it is about to scan and waiting for you to hit "okay" or "start."

 

So why the rebooting?

 

Possibility 1:  The CD was misburned.   Most of the coding is on there, but something vital is missing; and when it hits that spot, it crashes and the system reboots.  Try burning another CD.  Remember you can't use a Read-write CD.  It has to be a read-CD. Make your mom wait until the CD ejects on its own.

 

Possibility 2:  The download of the original image terminated incorrectly and either the end-of-file didn't make it or a huge clump of terminal code was missing.  So the CD was misburned.

     I know this sounds absurd, but I have recently downloaded a surprisingly number of incomplete files using three different download managers.  These were files from Symantec, Secunia, DVDCloner, and another site that escapes my memory at the moment.  One of these wouldn't launch.  One launched, but stopped in the middle and shut down.  One launched, started, then said it couldn't continue and shut itself down politely.  In each case, I returned to the download site and tried again and again.  With Symantec, it took three times.  With Secunia, it took six.  With DVDCloner I had to find a different mirror site.  If this were only my computer, I would assume it had something to do with my machine.  But I've experienced this now on four or five different machines.  If this were only on machines with NIS 2009, I would blame that product; but one of the machines didn't even have a Norton product on it.

     I don't know what is going on.  It could be an inherent flaw in recent Windows updates, but I've experience it both on XP and Vista machines.  It could have something to do with Network traffic.  It could be ... what.

     But it is happening.  And unlike what I would expect, the corrupt downloads do not all crash immediately; instead most proceed into the program some distance or another.

     If this happened here, you will need to download another image.

 

Possibility 3.  Something wrong with the BIOS or with the RAM.  These are the only parts of your computer that the CD addresses (to the best of my knowledge).

     I don't know the solution here.

 

Possibility 4.  A virus on the computer that burned the CD and which itself corrupted the CD.

     Solution:  Use another machine; or burn it on your machine and test it on your machine first, then send it second-day UPS (about $10 and cheaper than a plane ticket).

 

Edited for Possibility 5:  The machine is an older one that doesn't have the capability of or appropriate drivers for accessing the internet from power-on state and the program is crashing during its attempt to update the virus signatures.  This should be unlikely because the disk contains the basic drivers that should work.  Your mother's machine isn't dial-up, is it?  I don't remember.

 

That's all my mind comes up with this late at night.  I'll sleep on it and see what else occurs to me.  In the mean time, good luck.

Message Edited by mijcar on 11-25-2008 09:06 PM
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huwyngr
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Re: NIS2009--Program windows vanish, scan won't run, can't uninstall/reinstall

If you were remote controlling your parent's machne and trying to use a credit card I could understand the system refusing to play ..... Security?

 

Mijcar has some well thought out views and suggestions. See what you think.



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dietche
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Re: NIS2009--Program windows vanish, scan won't run, can't uninstall/reinstall

I appreciate your thoughts mij. Believe me, I had already stepped through those exact possibilities already.

 

The burn was verified after writing, so I discounted that one.

 

While a bad download is possible, (unlikely tho as I use a good download manager that I've never ever had a bad download while using, better than flashget and getright of which I've used both; still, yes, possible since the machine is obviously borked in some way) I fear the other possibilities you mentioned are of a far greater chance. I'm really leaning towards it being a bios type virus or machine instability at this point. This is due to the computer rebooting not just once when the key was fully entered (into the Recovery Tool), but twice, and the second time was when the key was only *half entered*.

 

Trust me, I know exactly how bizarre this behavior is, which is why I'm just going to fly out there. Too many things need to be ruled out that can only be done with pre-boot type diagnostics (memtest, NDD, etc etc). I'm gonna load up my flash drive with utilities and whatnots (ubuntu, bartpe, a bios flasher so i can get rid of the possibility of a bios bug, video bios flasher to make sure it doesn't have that new, wierd arse video bios virus that superheats video cards, etc etc etc etc) and start getting serious on it when I arrive there. 

 

I'm confident I can get the machine proper, even if it means changing hardware or reinstalling the OS from scratch, and as such, I'll get NIS installed and that should be the end of these problems for good. I'll also see if I can figure out a way to make some sort of backup machine for them too.

 

I really didn't expect this thread to get so gi-normous when I originally posted, as I was hopeing that there was a simple fix for the original problems I encountered.  However, at least with all you guy's help, we've eliminated the obvious and common issues, several of the not so common :), and what's left is just stuff that requires getting my hands dirty. No worries.

 

Oh, and huwyngr, I was using VNC *very* rarely during the troubleshooting, and wasn't even using it to do the shopping; I was just walking my mom through the purchase. We even tried a few other sites, and it seemed like anytime the url went from http to https it started acting funny on her, which is indicative in and of itself. 

 

I know I speak for my parents when I say thank you, all.

 

When I fly down there and actually figure out the real problem, I'll post it here, even if it means necro'ing the thread. It's my hope that at least it might help someone later; and, I'm sure a few of you are curious as to what it might be too. =]

 

Be well, friends;

--Dietche 

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Re: NIS2009--Program windows vanish, scan won't run, can't uninstall/reinstall

Thank you, D.  And may you and your Mom have the best of Thanksgivings.
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Re: NIS2009--Program windows vanish, scan won't run, can't uninstall/reinstall

<< I'm confident I can get the machine proper, even if it means changing hardware  >>

 

If you mean new hard drives, video cards etc, don't get carried away -- just look what you can buy in the computer/office stores for $399 these days ... <g>

 

Anyway it looks like someone wanted you to get together with your parents around Thanksgiving -- have a good one!



Hugh