06-29-2012 11:56 AM
it is good to have this fix but why you suggested to download the beta release of NIS and not a beta for Norton 360? I have the 360 and I don't want to lose its features. However I prefer to wait the final stable release so in all cases, I will wait for the new Norton 360.
Sorry Truepeace, Norton 360 should have been included as well. Since this is the NIS board, I only mentioned NIS. Thanks for clarifying.
06-29-2012 12:33 PM
> I assume 2013 uses different coding than 2012.
I would nor assume that.
Given the size and the complexity of the application, I do not believe that Symantec would want to pay for the cost of "starting from scratch".
They don't even want to pay for fixing NIS 2011.
So the real question is:
What percentage of the code in NIS 2013 comes from NIS 2012?
My WAG: 50%.
The Corporate Bean Counters would have a fit if the Chief Technology Officer proposed starting from scratch. Their goal in life is to minimize internal costs and maximize profits. They are not "product-centric". Most of them know little about the actual products. Their eyes are on the money.
Case in point: John Sculley at Apple. He came from Pepsi.
"Condé Nast Portfolio ranked Sculley as the 14th worst American CEO of all time."
"Sculley has been noted privately by many American business leaders as 'CEO Most Likely To Fail' after his string of failures since leaving Pepsico."
In current times, the companies that are product-centric have been more successful, e.g., Apple, Google, Samsung, etc.
The marketing droids just want to put a new dress on the old product and re-market it.
Their favorite expression: "Half the population has a below average IQ".
This explains why they haven't fixed NIS 2011. Cost.
06-29-2012 01:45 PM
If anyone is considering going to the 2013 beta, they may want to look at this:
06-29-2012 05:17 PM
Yes I saw that to, but I don't know if they actually fixed it or not in the beta or are just saying they did.
Tony I repeat my requests of:
1) Can you give us the specs of the units that can reproduce the error and the units that can't so we can see if on our side there is any configuration we can do to avoid the crash issue, even if it is in the code, is it a universal bug, no since you said it can't be repreated on some machines.
2) Any word on a compensatition package for users of 2012.
06-29-2012 06:50 PM
So you are sure that if only 137 rules are added all will be well?
06-30-2012 12:30 PM
Not necessarily. Hence the YMMV in the original post.
I'm still looking for a specific number. I think it will help with the solution. I'm suspecting something in the timing or coding that isn't quite right.
06-30-2012 08:08 PM
The number really seems to vary but I have been able to get to about 172 rules with no issue. However anything above that you are pushing your luck. However I have seen it go down with just 155 rules. So to err on the side of caution you should use the lowest amount reported by those in this forum as your guide stick as to how far you can push it. Anything above that is like Russian Roulette. There is a bullet in one of those chambers, when you will spin it and set it off, no one knows. Also if you try to go past without stopping, hoping that will work, it doesn't. I built up to 222 rules and then stopped and tried to reaccess and it crashed.
Ironically in Norton 360 Everything, you actually see the rules when you click on program controls. Just that anything you press on after will crash the program. I have also eliminated the graphics card as being a contributing factor, as I have run Nvidia, ATI and Intel GPU/iGPU's and it occurs with all three. I had hoped that it was a combination of bad code and perhaps a graphics driver, since they say they can't duplicate it on all their machines. I wish they would post the specs of these machines so users can see if there is a manual work around for it beyond waiting for a patch.