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victor_k
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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010

Msradell,

 

On the image you attached the left part of the screen is missing. Could you tell me what was the word before the "Mandatory Level <Default> ..."? Was it High, Medium or Low?

 

Thanks,

Victor

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Msradell
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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010

Medium.

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austinkot
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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010

Sorry i've just realized that Norton AntiSpam only works for POP3. Didn't notice at first as my email accounts were Gmail IMAP, Hotmail, and Exchange. Tried adding a POP3 account and it works.

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Skaladar
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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010

I am currently configuring a number of computers for a small business and I am trying to find some resolution for this problem. The computers are running Windows 7 pro 64-bit with Office (Outlook) 2010 32-bit. NIS 2010 was initially installed. I quickly saw that there was no client integration for the anti-spam plug-in with Outlook 2010. I was assured NIS 2011 was compatible with Outlook 2010 so I had no choice but to wait. When NIS 2011 became available via the new version check I ran the update seemingly without incident. Now I see that the anti-spam plug-in is installed, client integration is enabled for Outlook and Outlook Contacts yet the "This is Spam", "This is Not Spam" and "Empty Spam Folder" icons remain grayed out regardless of which folder or email message is selected. I spent four hours yesterday with Norton online support at which time NIS 2011 and/or the anti-spam plug-in was repeatedly installed and uninstalled in an effort to get it to functions, all to no avail. Error logs were collected and the case is now being escalated to Engineering support.

 

I think it worth mentioning that Outlook had been configured with 1 IMAP account and 2 POP3 accounts. I recognize (but don't understand why) Norton anti-spam is only designed to work on ports 25 and 110 so I am expecting it to work only on the POP3 accounts. I also think it worth mentioning that the NIS 2010 to NIS 2011 upgrade was also done on a second, nearly identically configured, machine with the same results. I am posting these comments because this thread seems to have come to a dead end albeit not flagged as Solved. The OP has gotten it to work by "adding a POP3 account" while others have realized that Norton anti-spam only works on what Norton considers to be the "standard" ports 25 and 110. I have to agree with poster Msradell comments and add that I think it unrealistic to release a product that only works on ports that fewer and fewer ISP's support. In the meantime, I would still like for it to work, even if only on a POP3 level, and so far I have had no luck.

 

~Skaladar~

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Msradell
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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010


Skaladar wrote:

I am currently configuring a number of computers for a small business and I am trying to find some resolution for this problem. The computers are running Windows 7 pro 64-bit with Office (Outlook) 2010 32-bit. NIS 2010 was initially installed. I quickly saw that there was no client integration for the anti-spam plug-in with Outlook 2010. I was assured NIS 2011 was compatible with Outlook 2010 so I had no choice but to wait. When NIS 2011 became available via the new version check I ran the update seemingly without incident. Now I see that the anti-spam plug-in is installed, client integration is enabled for Outlook and Outlook Contacts yet the "This is Spam", "This is Not Spam" and "Empty Spam Folder" icons remain grayed out regardless of which folder or email message is selected. I spent four hours yesterday with Norton online support at which time NIS 2011 and/or the anti-spam plug-in was repeatedly installed and uninstalled in an effort to get it to functions, all to no avail. Error logs were collected and the case is now being escalated to Engineering support.

 

I think it worth mentioning that Outlook had been configured with 1 IMAP account and 2 POP3 accounts. I recognize (but don't understand why) Norton anti-spam is only designed to work on ports 25 and 110 so I am expecting it to work only on the POP3 accounts. I also think it worth mentioning that the NIS 2010 to NIS 2011 upgrade was also done on a second, nearly identically configured, machine with the same results. I am posting these comments because this thread seems to have come to a dead end albeit not flagged as Solved. The OP has gotten it to work by "adding a POP3 account" while others have realized that Norton anti-spam only works on what Norton considers to be the "standard" ports 25 and 110. I have to agree with poster Msradell comments and add that I think it unrealistic to release a product that only works on ports that fewer and fewer ISP's support. In the meantime, I would still like for it to work, even if only on a POP3 level, and so far I have had no luck. 

~Skaladar~


I'm glad to see someone put another post in this thread to keep it active and in everyone's eyes!  Norton used to be at the top of the list for being progressive and on the leading edge.  If they are stuck with ports 25 and 110 they certainly are no longer looking ahead.  I really don't understand why they only look at POP3 mail and not IMAP?  They certainly are both widely used mail systems and both are checked for spam by several other systems.  Hopefully they will realize their errors and provide a solution in the not too far distant future.

 

I like you was waiting for the 2011 version since the 2010 version did not work and again like you was very disappointed when the 2011 version didn't work like I was told it would.

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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010

I would also like to keep this thread active. The problems with the Antispam feature have not yet been resolved for me after much interaction with Norton support. Frankly I am surprised that I am not seeing more posts about this however I am sure I am not alone in this. Here is what has developed since my last post:

 

I was contacted by Engineering support a few hours after my initial post on the evening of 9/17. After starting a support session, in which the Engineering support rep connected to one of the PC’s with this problem he proceeded to check all the setting in both NIS 2011 and Outlook 2010, just as the other reps had done before him. As this was going on I pointed out to him that I had found the reason for the initial problem of the icons remaining grayed out, even for POP accounts, and was able to get them enabled but Antispam was still not functioning properly. I went on to explain that Outlook initially attempts to retrieve the correct server setting when setting up the first email account. In this case the account, which supported both IMAP and POP3 protocols, was correctly configured as an IMAP account. Since Outlook cannot assign the default data file to an IMAP account an additional Outlook data file was created. Subsequent mail accounts, which were manually set up as POP3 to avoid the auto detection mechanism from creating an IMAP account, created additional Outlook data files. However none were set as the default. That left a default Outlook data file which was empty. The result being the Icons for flagging messages as either spam or not spam were inactive as there was no content in any of the folders in the default data file. In order to get the Icons enabled it was simply a matter of changing the default data file to one of the active POP3 accounts which is easily done from the account settings menu.

 

The plot thickens –

 

Now the icons were enabled and messages could be flagged as spam or as not spam from all accounts. The problem now is that regardless of which account messages were flagged from they were moved to the Junk mail folder or the Inbox of the account that was designated as the default data file. Clearly this is not desirable. In reviewing the spam or junk email folder for legitimate messages anything found to be legitimate should be moved back to the inbox for that account when flagged as not spam. I went over this a few time with the Engineering support rep to be sure he was clear about the problem. He told me he would escalate the issue to the development team since the product was new and it needed to be addressed. He assured me I would be contacted once the case was reviewed and a resolution was available.

 

Yesterday, on 9/17, I was contacted by Norton via voicemail and asked to call back. When I finally got through, since no contact number was provided, to someone who could tell me something about this case he told me that the notes he had said there was a patch applied over the weekend and his instruction were to uninstall the old product and do a fresh install of the latest release. Before proceeding I asked if his notes mentioned what the problem was or if there were release notes with the patch identifying what problems were fixed. He said all that was mentioned was that Norton Antispam was not working. Since he had no knowledge of what the true problem was I made sure that I demonstrated the “before” condition before reinstalling the product so we could determine if this effort helped. I flagged a few messages from different accounts as spam and as expected they were all moved to the Junk email folder of the default data file account. When the same messages were then flagged as not spam they were all moved back to the Inbox of the default data file account. None of them went where they should have. We proceeded to fully uninstall NIS 2011 and re-install a fresh copy. We repeated the same actions of flagging messages as both spam and as not spam and found no change in the way it behaved. No messages in accounts other than the default data file account went were they should have nor did the return to where they came from when the process was reversed. I was then told this was being sent back to the Development team and marked as high priority. I await their reply.

 

I do recognize that this does not in any way address the fact that Norton Antispam only works on the POP3 level. That was a big disappoint to me and remains a problem … but if I have to knuckle under and use POP3 to get Antispam functioning I will consider it. However I will not be told that I can only have one POP3 account for it to work. This is 2010 for crying out loud, not 1990. How many people who are in a position to use Office 2010 for professional reasons have only one email account that is POP3? I agree that Norton is on a path that will only hurt them if they fail to act on this or even acknowledge any plans to come up to speed with the rest of the world.

 

I apologize for being so long winded and editorializing but this is more than just a rant. I hope that others who have found they have issue with this may benefit in some way and I hope they will add their voices.

 

~Skaladar~

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austinkot
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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010

@Skaladar Hmmm the same thing happens to my IMAP/Hotmail accounts. After adding a POP3 account to the Personal Folders pst file i am able to mark as spam email from my IMAP/Hotmail accounts and they go to the Personal Folders Junk Email folder. When marked as not spam, they go to the Personal Folders Inbox as well. Of course, Norton AntiSpam is only supposed to work with POP3 so.... Hope support for IMAP is added soon through since it seems so much better than POP3.

Tim_Lopez
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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010

Hello austinkot,

 

One of the reasons why we don't support IMAP at this time is due to the way IMAP works.

 

When you launch your email client and get your mail using IMAP, it doesn't actually download all your email messages. It downloads only the headers (From/To/Subject) and maybe a short snippet of the email (if configured). This would mean that we would not be able to perform an actual antispam scan on the email until you click on it to view it, when it actually downloads the email message off the server. By that time, your inbox is already filled with emails that cant be scanned because they're not downloaded yet. That would mean that you would see a delay before viewing each message while the email is scanned, and then it would be marked and spam and moved to the spam folder - so in essence, the email would just disappear. We could use a blacklist/whitelist based off of email addresses, but that won't provide the FULL AntiSpam function as you can't determine spam just off of who it's from. So, as you can see, we would have to re-write the entire AntiSpam Engine and develop some new methodology in order to have some form of IMAP support. 

 

I'm not saying that it's going to happen, or that it's not going to happen. I just want to shed some light on one aspect of this (and I'm sure there are many more that I'm not touching on).

 

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Tim Lopez
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Msradell
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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010

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Tim_Lopez wrote:

Hello austinkot,

 

One of the reasons why we don't support IMAP at this time is due to the way IMAP works.

 

When you launch your email client and get your mail using IMAP, it doesn't actually download all your email messages. It downloads only the headers (From/To/Subject) and maybe a short snippet of the email (if configured).

 


Would it be at least possible to remove the email from senders that we have blocked?  Or emails where the subject matter is offensive according to definition.  Doing that and allowing other ports to be monitored would certainly solve the majority of the problems.  Especially monitoring other ports causes many problems.  I can set up AOL and GMail mail to be received via POP (although I prefer not to) but that doesn't solve the problem of the ports.

Tim_Lopez
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Re: Norton AntiSpam not working in Outlook 2010

 


Msradell wrote:
Would it be at least possible to remove the email from senders that we have blocked?  Or emails where the subject matter is offensive according to definition.  Doing that and allowing other ports to be monitored would certainly solve the majority of the problems.  Especially monitoring other ports causes many problems.  I can set up AOL and GMail mail to be received via POP (although I prefer not to) but that doesn't solve the problem of the ports.

 

Hello Msradell,

 

Yes, that is possible - and your email client may already have this functionality. You could setup some rules to automatically move messages from certain email addresses to your Junk Mail folder. 

 

As for other ports, that's a separate issue on its own. The product team is looking in to this, but we're not sure when this would be implemented, so I don't have much information on this. :smileyhappy:

Cheers,
Tim Lopez
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Symantec Corporation