02-20-2009 05:35 AM - edited 02-20-2009 05:37 AM
yogesh_mohan wrote:it won't store your personal details like your Credit Card account number
Check the Account Profile, it stores it, if you put it in anywhere (like shopping in the Symantec Store):

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 x64 Hungarian, Norton 360 v20.3.1.22, Norton Utilities 16
02-20-2009 07:03 AM
Hi PapauZ,
I posted the same there in my previous post:
Can you point out where it asks for your credit card number? There is option to add the credit card information in the Account Profile(after creating the account), but it is not compulsory.
I meant to say that when you create the Norton Account through Norton product or through the Weblink for Norton Account, it never asks/prompts for you to include the Credit Card details. You can add that information separately after creating the Norton Account, BUT Norton program or Norton Account won't prompt for this information. Once you enter the information, then you can't remove it - I agree to that point. If you don't want to provide that information, I don't think that it is necessary to enter those information first and then delete it. The other personal details which you provide in the Norton Account is to safeguard your data from being accessed by anybody else(secure identity). Anyway, I don't worry about providing all those information when using Symantec program since I know that those information is secure and no one else can access to it until/unless I provide my login information. Moreover, the online storage of Norton 360 uses the same Account information and I have backedup many of my files to Online Storage from one of my computers as I feel it more secure, can be accessed from anywhere.
Yogesh
02-21-2009 02:25 AM
yogesh_mohan wrote:Hi PapauZ,
I posted the same there in my previous post:
Can you point out where it asks for your credit card number? There is option to add the credit card information in the Account Profile(after creating the account), but it is not compulsory.
I meant to say that when you create the Norton Account through Norton product or through the Weblink for Norton Account, it never asks/prompts for you to include the Credit Card details. You can add that information separately after creating the Norton Account, BUT Norton program or Norton Account won't prompt for this information. Once you enter the information, then you can't remove it - I agree to that point. If you don't want to provide that information, I don't think that it is necessary to enter those information first and then delete it. The other personal details which you provide in the Norton Account is to safeguard your data from being accessed by anybody else(secure identity). Anyway, I don't worry about providing all those information when using Symantec program since I know that those information is secure and no one else can access to it until/unless I provide my login information. Moreover, the online storage of Norton 360 uses the same Account information and I have backedup many of my files to Online Storage from one of my computers as I feel it more secure, can be accessed from anywhere.
Yogesh
Yogesh,
I fully respect your opinion about the benefit of the Account, an opinion that you are in no need to justify.
I am just concerned that it is now compulsory for all Symantec’s clients to share your sole opinion since there is no option to skip the Norton Account anymore and the reminder makes NIS a nightmare to use. Symantec should have issued at least a statement explaining why this is compulsory but nothing, nada, zero.
You said in a previous message, that Norton Account does not store any personal details. I checked this and it does: name, first name,adress are personal details to me and the Account does store these. Symantec makes it compulsory to give them these details and fails to give any justification to a request even Microsoft does not make. I will no have the credit card discussion with you because credit card details are way beyond the limits of privacy so its enought to me that Symantec wants my name and adress when I buy one of their product.
Now you say that it does not matter because "The other personal details which you provide in the Norton Account is to safeguard your data from being accessed by anybody else(secure identity) and nobody else than you has access.
First, there would be no issue of safeguarding my date if Symantec did not ask for them in the first place so we are back to the issue of why is this compulsory. Second, Symantec has access to the information so it is not only you and it does matter even more, because there is still a gigantic lack of consistent explanation as to why should we give these information to Symantec. Third, with all due respect, you are not a Symantec's representative and, again with all due respect, the explanation that you give has therefore no value to me. The fact that you try so hard to advocate the whole thing even becomes suspicious.
I think people are just starting to assess the issue of privacy and anonymity on the Internet and why they should refrain to provide some remote contact or company with very private details. When I buy something in a high-street shop, I would be reluctant if in addition to paying the price, the shop-owner handed me a form to fill in with details only my credit card company has, gave me no explanation at all and refused to deliver my purchase to me untill I fill the form. Anybody would have the same reaction but just because its online, people just do it without giving it a second thought.
I would be very interesting to read from a Symantec's reprsentative explaining why this thing is compulsory. I know they are Symantec's representatives reading us and the fact that they remain completely silent on this issue is already a response.
02-21-2009 09:23 AM
<< Symantec should have issued at least a statement explaining why this is compulsory but nothing, nada, zero. >>
I can't give you a link to it but Symantec have posted their POV here on this topic. It would not satisfy you but they have not remained silent.
<< When I buy something in a high-street shop .... >>
You do not buy the Norton product! You pay for a licence to use it so the better analogy would be when you lease an automobile from a dealer I think and then you don't have to tell me how much detail I have to give the dealer!
Given that Symantec -- and they are definitely not alone -- have adopted the subscription model and given that when your subscription expires the protection ceases completely (it does not continue on a limited basis) then they have the right to require that minimal information, just as Microsoft requires deep down information to identify your hardware when you activate Windows.
The nagging is a different matter in my opinion since there are ways of continuing it less agressively that are in use -- I have software that allows me to say "Later" and that delays it a preset amount; I have other software that allows me to specify "1 week" and so on.
Let's hope the Symantec do realize that the degree of nagging at present in the products is counterproductive and that they would lose nothing by recognizing this and modifying the product to take this into account.
Also don't forget that if one does renew when the first nag comes up or as soon as convenient afterwards that the nagging ceases and the 366 days is added to any remaining old subscription -- you do not lose it.
02-21-2009 10:45 AM
huwyngr wrote:<< Symantec should have issued at least a statement explaining why this is compulsory but nothing, nada, zero. >>
I can't give you a link to it but Symantec have posted their POV here on this topic. It would not satisfy you but they have not remained silent.
<< When I buy something in a high-street shop .... >>
You do not buy the Norton product! You pay for a licence to use it so the better analogy would be when you lease an automobile from a dealer I think and then you don't have to tell me how much detail I have to give the dealer!
Given that Symantec -- and they are definitely not alone -- have adopted the subscription model and given that when your subscription expires the protection ceases completely (it does not continue on a limited basis) then they have the right to require that minimal information, just as Microsoft requires deep down information to identify your hardware when you activate Windows.
The nagging is a different matter in my opinion since there are ways of continuing it less agressively that are in use -- I have software that allows me to say "Later" and that delays it a preset amount; I have other software that allows me to specify "1 week" and so on.
Let's hope the Symantec do realize that the degree of nagging at present in the products is counterproductive and that they would lose nothing by recognizing this and modifying the product to take this into account.
Also don't forget that if one does renew when the first nag comes up or as soon as convenient afterwards that the nagging ceases and the 366 days is added to any remaining old subscription -- you do not lose it.
It is very surprising that always the two very same posters with thousands of posts in their headcount on this forum always step in when we criticise Symantec and try to lure us with disputable explanation to the unjustifiable.
I would have accepted your explanation if it was consistent with what the Norton Account's reminder says. The reminder only says I have to set up a Norton Account for my sole benefit (i.e storing my activation key), not for Symantec's benefit. Symantec never introduced Norton Account as an anti-piracy tool so why are you trying to do so? I have absolutely no problem with Microsoft having a full knowledge of my configuration as long as Microsoft does not require my name and address. So again, the analogy you make here is wrong.
The car rental analogy is equally bogus: the reason why I need to give my private details to the car rental agency in your example is because I must give bring the car back plus I may get fined on the road so they need to trace me. This is not the case here. I went to a shop, paid for a NIS'CD and a one year NIS license which I paid upfront (i.e in advance) for 366 days.
Once the license expires, I have nothing to bring back to Symantec. They know, thanks to a connection between my computer and their servers, and a check of my activation key stored in my computer that my license has expired so they would not deliver me any update unless I renew. It is up to me then to renew. . A couple of week before the expiration date, I am reminded to renew online which I never did. I go to the very same shop to buy a new box and this is it. The fact that the protection ceases immediately gives Symantec absolutely no right or need for that matter to have my private details so your reasoning defies logic.
This does not hurt the subscription model Symantec has adopted in any way. Symantec adopted the subscription model years before 2009, and it worked flawlessly until now without a compulsory Norton Account
The more accurate analogy would be with a prepaid telephone card which you can buy anonymously. You can even renew your credit without never giving the telephone company any private details so again your are wrong.
There is still no consistent explanation as to why is this compulsory and I now wonder how many undercover Symantec's employees will come to here with funny but bogus replies.
02-21-2009 11:30 AM
As somone said: "Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up"
Enjoy your fantasy world and don't waste your time insulting those who try to help.
02-21-2009 01:49 PM
Ben18 wrote:their headcount on this forum always step in when we criticise Symantec and try to lure us with disputable explanation to the unjustifiable.
I would have accepted your explanation if it was consistent with what the Norton Account's reminder says. The reminder only says I have to set up a Norton Account for my sole benefit (i.e storing my activation key), not for Symantec's benefit. Symantec never introduced Norton Account as an anti-piracy tool so why are you trying to do so? I have absolutely no problem with Microsoft having a full knowledge of my configuration as long as Microsoft does not require my name and address. So again, the analogy you make here is wrong.
The car rental analogy is equally bogus: the reason why I need to give my private details to the car rental agency in your example is because I must give bring the car back plus I may get fined on the road so they need to trace me. This is not the case here. I went to a shop, paid for a NIS'CD and a one year NIS license which I paid upfront (i.e in advance) for 366 days.
Once the license expires, I have nothing to bring back to Symantec. They know, thanks to a connection between my computer and their servers, and a check of my activation key stored in my computer that my license has expired so they would not deliver me any update unless I renew. It is up to me then to renew. . A couple of week before the expiration date, I am reminded to renew online which I never did. I go to the very same shop to buy a new box and this is it. The fact that the protection ceases immediately gives Symantec absolutely no right or need for that matter to have my private details so your reasoning defies logic.
This does not hurt the subscription model Symantec has adopted in any way. Symantec adopted the subscription model years before 2009, and it worked flawlessly until now without a compulsory Norton Account
The more accurate analogy would be with a prepaid telephone card which you can buy anonymously. You can even renew your credit without never giving the telephone company any private details so again your are wrong.
There is still no consistent explanation as to why is this compulsory and I now wonder how many undercover Symantec's employees will come to here with funny but bogus replies.
I totally agree with you Ben18. Huwyingr and Yogash don't seem to be 'listening' to the actual complaint, only pushing some kind of a company slogan or talking point for Symantec. Not only in this thread, but in most. If not employed by Symantec, they should at least get a good discount!
It is curious why Symantec's officials don't have a response on this matter. The car analogy was totally wrong. I'll never buy anything online, as I know how poorly the customer's data protected at most companies by careless and stupid workers. Yes, not everybody is a genius who works in IT! Most have absolutely no clue about security. I believe giving any personal information when you register your product is absolutely dangerous. As somebody suggested, I too set up separate e-mail addresses now with hotmail, yahoo and alike for one-time use. So no matter what Symantec can come up with to grab personal data, careful users can always find a way around it. When the nagging gets unbearable, it is time to move on to other products. In today's economy Symantec is behaving foolishly, imho. Their funeral.
02-22-2009 01:09 AM
Let me try to step in than. Or am I one of "them" as well?
let's try again and please tell me in short what is the main problem. Too many arguments are posted here and I'm affraid no one really knows anymore what is exactly the main issue.
Ben , can you help me out here?
02-22-2009 10:09 AM
I checked the information in the profile of my Norton account. There is no more information there than is required to sign up on this forum. I always buy a new disc every year so there is no need to enter credit card information. I shake my head in absolute wonder that the people who are so indignant about giving Symantec their name and email address, do so on this forum willingly just so they can complain about it. How does this make any sense?
What I also don't understand is that most quality programs require your name, address, and email address to register your product. The same people that complain about the Norton account happily register their cameras, printers, software, Ebay and Paypal accounts without a twinge. They are just as likely to have online banking, which I refuse to do. There is just something about the Norton account, be it no different, that sends them into orbit.
If I was as sensitive about my privacy as some posters, the last place I'd put any information is on a public forum.
02-22-2009 11:12 AM
>>The same people that complain about the Norton account happily register their cameras, printers, software, Ebay and Paypal accounts without a twinge. They are just as likely to have online banking, which I refuse to do. There is just something about the Norton account, be it no different, that sends them into orbit.<<
How do you know, Delphinium? None of the printers or cameras I have ever insisted on to registering the product before giving me permission to use it. I can assure you, I have neither eBay nor PayPal accounts. I too buy new discs every year. I rather do without or pay more, but nobody gets automatic access to my money. Actually, so far the CD was always cheaper than the subscription renewal... About online banking - I don't know where you do your banking, what are the online features and what is your banking background. So, if you don't feel secure, that's fine. Is the bank stopping you banking the old fashioned way? The complaint here is not that Norton offers an account setup for benefits to the users, but that they insist on setting up an account. Do you see the difference?
