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floplot
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Re: it is happening again, Live update

Hello

 

This has been happening for at  least 3 weeks now with both 2011 and 2012 products. I know it was happening for a few weeks while I was deciding on whether I should upgrade to NIS 2012 when my sub was up or stay with NIS 2011.. I know and have been telling users to try live update again and that you will get the updates, but  it may take a little longer to get it. I am just wondering since I am a Guru, but not a Symantec employee and don't have knowledge of everything,  I have noticed that there are a slew of Symantec products now. I don't know and this is just a guess on my part also,  I am just wondering if perhaps these failures to install might be due to the wrong version of the same part is being downloaded to us and the failure is happening because we are getting the wrong version of the update... I know that this problem can seem to be gone for a few days and then it pops up again... that is except for the other day when the problem lasted for like almost 12 hours. I'm sure if I had stayed with NIS 2011, I would have had the same problem. I am once again trying to be patient since there is a definite improvement since the day when it took 12 hours to get the updates.

 

I don't think I have heard anyone who has a product that is older than 2011 having this problem.

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Krusty13
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Re: it is happening again, Live update

Hi flopot,

I too wonder if Symantec have too many fingers in too many pies.  :smileywink:

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macinwwwv
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Registered: ‎10-24-2011

Re: it is happening again, Live update


dickevans wrote:

Hi,

I can't speak for Tony or the company but my experience has been that the real problem is the Internet. Speeds are increasing, pipe size is increasing and the amount of data being pushed through is 'really' increasing. It only takes one bit out of place to corrupt a download. Many times this will not be enough to trigger an error message but it does make the download fail to install.

During times of less activity the next run of live update will usually cure the problem. If there's a lot happening then it may take several trys.

Yes, there are ways to prevent much of this, and yes, they could be implemented, BUT the other side of the coin is the cost in time, effort and resources that it would take to generate almost absolutely secure transmissions with the several million computers worldwide that use Symantec/Norton products. Until it reaches the point that I cannot keep my copy up to date enough to make me feel secure I will live with the minor inconveniences of haveing to rerun live update upon occasion.

That's just me and I'm only one old man. So try to

Stay well and surf safe


Dick--

 

You may, indeed, be right.  I certainly am not qualified, nor do I have the expertise to say you are wrong.  However, there are a few things that, to me at least, tend to cast some doubt on your conclusion.  First, this problem appeared suddenly, around the middle to late October--everything had worked fine until then.  My guess is that nothing at that point suddenly saturated the Internet when it had not been saturated up until then.  Second, timing seems random, and unrelated to what one would assume are heavy traffic times.  And finally, in a much earlier post, in the previous thread that was closed because it was getting to long and old, there was a sort of suggestion by one of the Symantec folks, that the problem was complicated and was going to take some time to fix--or words to that effect.  That suggests to me that they at least have some idea as to the cause.  It does NOT eliminate the possibliity that the cause is excatly as you suggest. 

 

But all that said, I still maintain that it would be nice if we could get a status report--even if the status report is, "we have no idea of why this is happening," or "we know what is causing it, but it will take x months to fix it," or "we know what the problem is, but it is too expensive, or too difficult, or whatever, to fix."  Like you, I'll continue to put up with the inconvenience of the need to do multiple tries to get an update to succeed.  But the frustration (for me at least) is increased by the lack of feedback on what the situation is. 

Atomic_Blast
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Re: it is happening again, Live update

Hi.

 

I think that Symantec has too many overlapping products and should consolidate them.

This way the company will have more order and control than they do now, IMHO.

 

For example, NAV 2012/NIS 2012/ Norton 360 - just look at the product feature matrix.

If you have an intelligent installer, the program should ask you what modules you would like to install.

 

There's only so far you can go with embellishments before everything gets crazy.

 

Atomic_Blast :)

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SendOfJive
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Re: it is happening again, Live update

The way the internet works pretty much eliminates it as a possible cause.  If it could produce the sort of issues being suggested for the LiveUpdate failures, then there would also be no email in anyone's Inbox and YouTube would not work at all, among other things.

dickevans
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Re: it is happening again, Live update


SendOfJive wrote:

The way the internet works pretty much eliminates it as a possible cause.  If it could produce the sort of issues being suggested for the LiveUpdate failures, then there would also be no email in anyone's Inbox and YouTube would not work at all, among other things.


I think you are changing my mind :smileyvery-happy:

This would lead me back to the Norton servers and I guess that would mean that they need to grow the farm and the load balancing hardware.

That said I think it's time for me to go back to my coirner and be quiet.

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Re: it is happening again, Live update

"The way the internet works pretty much eliminates it as a possible cause.  If it could produce the sort of issues being suggested for the LiveUpdate failures, then there would also be no email in anyone's Inbox and YouTube would not work at all, among other things."

 

Hi SOJ,

 

I fully agree with you.

In my humble opinion the way that LU updates are constructed need to be redesigned from the beginning.

That's probably why NIS 2011 or 2012 fail to "read them" immediately as they are sequenced.

It has nothing to do with the Internet cloud or some particular servers, because if a file is corrupted or a bit is missing, you can try more than a year to download the update, it will never download.

Also, if a file is corrupted the recipient may use some mechanisms to require retransmission of the bitstream if a checksum error is occuring.

Also, I do not think that there are congestion issues on the internet because we are usung hunderds of ISP's and it is not possible that all the VC lines are congested at the same time worldwide.

 

Best wishes to all,

 

Atomic_Blast
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Re: it is happening again, Live update

Hi all:

 

Think some clarification is in order.

Live Update is a service from Symantec that runs over the public internet.

 

Like any internet service it is subject to normal network traffic and other internet related issues. Problems with Live Update are due to many reasons other than the internet and it is up to the provider, namely Symantec, to run these services and servers as smooth as possible. Just because you click (or wait for a Live Update) does not ensure that everything will always work perfectly 100% of the time.

 

Such is the nature of things and I feel confident that the folks at Symantec are trying to attain close to 100% reliability.

When you roll out new technologies there are always bumps in the road until they are remediated.

 

I could go on and on and also relate stories of other companies and similar problems, but it would be pointless.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers!

 

Atomic_Blast :)

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SendOfJive
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Re: it is happening again, Live update

Each LIveUpdate session consists of a series of events that check for needed updates, download them, authenticate them, and install them.  I can certainly imagine that somewhere in that sequence an errant "something" might have been introduced that is affecting some, but not all updates.  Maybe....

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Re: it is happening again, Live update

Most of the time, I find Live Update fails on the Activity Map. Since it is a totally useless feature to most users, may I respectfully suggest Norton dump it for 2013 ? Merry Christmas to all  :smileyhappy:

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