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[Brian_K]

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DStain wrote:     you put me onto a third party boot manager I couldn't get that to work, it was too complicated

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Deric,

Nothing could be more complicated than what you are doing at present. But I take your point. Ghost 12 works with your system and even though Ghost 15 is causing problems, it must be entertaining trying to find a workaround.

[DStain]

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Brian_K wrote:

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DStain wrote:     you put me onto a third party boot manager I couldn't get that to work, it was too complicated

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Deric,

Nothing could be more complicated than what you are doing at present. But I take your point. Ghost 12 works with your system and even though Ghost 15 is causing problems, it must be entertaining trying to find a workaround.

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Brian,

you could say that again,

like I said before it has got to be one for the team to sort out there has got to be some code contained in G12 that has not been carried over to G15.

To be honest Brian, there is nothing complicated with a 4 drive multi boot when you consider your setup, I don't know how you control all those partitions.

I tried the "Copy My Hard Drive" option and it failed again, this time XP wouldn't boot, Win 7(1) or (2) wouldn't boot but one of them did and got stuck on the screen again. Vista didn't boot but after I ran a Win7 repair Vista booted into a working PC. So there is another scenario to think about.

This time though once each partition had finished copying I went into disk management to get the target drive online so that Ghost 15 could "see" the remaining unallocated space and made sure that the drive letters were removed.

During setup on each partition I made sure that drive letter was "none", what I didn't do though was dot logical drive on D,E and F.

Perhaps I might have another go tomorrow and try it with logical partitions and then I have covered every possible settings there is to make it work.

I do agree with you though about Microsoft's boot manager, it is got to be that at fault but who am I to know for sure, I ain't the expert.

Deric

[DaveH]

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DStain wrote:

This time though once each partition had finished copying I went into disk management to get the target drive online so that Ghost 15 could "see" the remaining unallocated space and made sure that the drive letters were removed.

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Can you explain that part Deric?

How do you get the target drive "online" are you giving it a letter and then later removing it?

What operating system is Ghost 15 installed on?

I also wouldn't be too quick to blame it on the MS boot loader.

You can use easyBCD to verify if the entries are correct and the right partition is trying to boot.

[DStain]

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DaveH wrote:

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DStain wrote:

This time though once each partition had finished copying I went into disk management to get the target drive online so that Ghost 15 could "see" the remaining unallocated space and made sure that the drive letters were removed.

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Can you explain that part Deric?

How do you get the target drive "online" are you giving it a letter and then later removing it?

What operating system is Ghost 15 installed on?

I also wouldn't be too quick to blame it on the MS boot loader.

You can use easyBCD to verify if the entries are correct and the right partition is trying to boot.

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Dave,

Last night the last test I did was to run a "Copy My Hard Drive" option.

The source drive I used is the one created with Ghost 12 and is a single drive partitioned into 4 more or less equal parts.

Each partition has an O/S and apps and is basic.

When you start G15 "Copy Drive" and run the first copy (C:) if you don't go into disk management and get the target online G15 can't "see" the unallocated space for the next copy (D:).

To get it "Online" right click the left hand pane.

When you do put the target drive online Windows allocates a drive letter and that has to be removed before you progress further with the copy drive.

This is where G12 excels it CAN "see" the unallocated space without the target drive on line and counts down as it progresses.

Now if you want to bet on this one I will put my pension on it because since last Thursday I have had a lot of practice at it as Brian knows .

I have logged every move I made on this exercise and you are welcome to my notes, and yes I have to use Easy BCD to modify the boot menu.

Normally Ghost is always installed on the last in line (F:) Win7 (2), I will slip the drive in again this afternoon and check it out for you when I try the logical drive option I talked about last night.

Deric

[Brian_K]

Deric,

I'm a bit confused about "online". I can't recall seeing it. How do you prepare the target HD prior to Copy Drive? How do you delete the partitions?

Windows can't assign a drive letter unless a partition is present. So unallocated space can't get a drive letter.

[DStain]

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Brian_K wrote:

Deric,

I'm a bit confused about "online". I can't recall seeing it. How do you prepare the target HD prior to Copy Drive? How do you delete the partitions?

Windows can't assign a drive letter unless a partition is present. So unallocated space can't get a drive letter.

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Brian,

Let me see if I can put it another way,

1. I prepare the "target" drive on the multi boot machine and delete it creating the unallocated space.

2. I know you don't like it but I use two eSata docking stations, eSata being a direct connection to the motherboard via a "Rob" adapter.

3.My multi boot machine has 2 drives as message 31 ( without disk 2)

4.I drop the target drive into one of the docking stations and delete it in disk management creating all unallocated space.

5.Then I disconnect the two drives leaving the target in the docking station.

6. Then I drop in the source drive (created with Ghost 12) in the other docking station.

7. I do this because my multi boot machine has Win 8 on two drives and I found that was causing a problem first of all with boot manager.

8.Now I have a computer running from the smaller drive (120 gig source) in one docking station.

9.I then reboot into Win7(2) in the source drive and open G15 installed and live updated to SP1.

10. Select "Copy My Hard Drive" and follow the copy procedure

11. Now the problem is that G15 cannot "see" the remaining unallocated space until I enable the newly created partition "online" and the letter C: is allocated by Windows using disk manager and then removing the drive letter.

12. The target drive MUST be online for G15 to resume the process of copying the next partition D:

13. Repeat the procedure till the operation is completed shut down and take out the source drive leaving the newly created "clone" in the other docking station.

14. Boot up and that is where the problem starts from boot manager and last night only Vista booted into a working computer.

I am going to do it all again but this afternoon and this  time have one primary and 3 logical partitions on the one drive and I will try and post a few pics.

I do know that Vista will boot ok so I should be able to access the forum from there.

My notes cover every step I took and I have a lot more that I can post onto you if you want, they record every step taken in the process.

The procedure creating the source drive with the Image/restore method was done with Ghost 12 in the docking stations, message 35 spells it out how it was done with the pics to show you.

Deric

[DStain]

Brian, Dave,

Capture 1 shows no unallocated space when C:XP  was copied and setting up D:

Capture 2 shows"offline"

Capture 3 shows "online" and drive letter removed and

Capture 4 showsunallocated space available to start copyingD: Vista

Deric

[DStain]

Brian, Dave,

I have since run the copy of D: partition and selected logical drive and then decided to shut down to see if the source drive would be affected in anyway.

Took the target drive out the docking station and rebooted and found extra entries in the SOURCE boot menu, it contained the 4 entries that I would expect XP, Vista, Win7 (1) and Win7(2) plus the following:-

Windows NT/2000/XP/2003

Windows Vista/Windows Server 2008/ Windows 7

and when XP was selected a second screen showed the following:-

Microsoft Windows XP Professional   --boots

Windows XP 2003.   --crashes

The last one crashes and the first one boots.

Yes I have seen this before with G15  and Yes I can delete the items on the menu that don't boot with EasyBCD.

So why is this happening is it MS boot loader or Ghost 15 not smart enough, I don't know.

To get the source back up and running properly (my emergency clone) I have no alternative but to re-image it again, it is no use me carying on now with this exercise because Ghost 15 just can't work it out.

Capture 5 and Capture 6 show that there isn't a problem.

Deric

[Brian_K]

Ah, I see now. You have two HDs with the same Disk Signature. Windows won't work with that. That's why the HD is offline.

I'm not sure why that is happening because Ghost doesn't copy the Disk Signature in my test computer when I select  Restore original disk signature. Why do you think you have two indentical Disk Signatures?

[Brian_K]

In my test computer I gave two HDs the same Disk Signature. In Disk Management Disk 2 was Offline. I right clicked, clicked Online and it was fixed. No drive letters involved. You should do this before you open Ghost 15.

Edit... Just tried it. Ghost doesn't see the newly Online drive. You have to restart your computer and then Ghost sees the drive as unallocated space.