05-26-2010 03:27 PM
Startup123,
When an image is restored I want the sectors to go back in the same order as they were in the original partition. Sector based restores are good. For example, certain defragging apps arrange sectors so that boot files, system files, file access, free space, frequently used files, etc, are in an optimal position. I don't want this messed up when an image is restored.
05-26-2010 04:58 PM - edited 05-26-2010 05:03 PM
Brian, since users like you like the way it currently works and users in my situation will like how older versions work, Ghost will be a better program if it keep both options available.
But anyway, the way you explained it will be very good for me too if I can find a defragging app like that to move all these files on my hard drive in an optimal position.
So let me try to clarify my problem and ask a some questions
Ghost can't restore my recovery point on a smaller hard drive because the recovery point contains the empty sectors between my data and this requires larger disk space.
So, the solution is to defrag the drive. Is that correct?
The drive can be defragged successfully only when it is not active system drive.
Problem, doing this with Disk Defragmenter of Windows 7 is unsuccessful. The drive is inactive but Disk Defragmenter reports 10 unmovable files and the spread stays at 800GB.
Next step, find a defragging program that can do a better job than Disk Defragmenter of Windows 7.
Am I on the correct path or I should be doing other things?
If I'm on the correct path I need to find out what programs are capable of defragging my data which is on a RAID hard drive.
You help is very much appreciated
edit: Am I correct to think that partition resizing program can't help before my data is deragged properly? So, first defrag and then resize the partition?
05-26-2010 05:22 PM
Let me try to answer some of these questions:
Startup123 wrote:Brian, since users like you like the way it currently works and users in my situation will like how older versions work, Ghost will be a better program if it keep both options available.
But anyway, the way you explained it will be very good for me too if I can find a defragging app like that to move all these files on my hard drive in an optimal position.
So let me try to clarify my problem and ask a some questions
Ghost can't restore my recovery point on a smaller hard drive because the recovery point contains the empty sectors between my data and this requires larger disk space.
It's not so much because of the empy sectors, it's the location of the existing files. Say you had a file that was located at the starting point of 500GB, that file prevents you from restoring to a smaller drive so we need to move that file, and all the files before the 250GB mark in order to be able to restore it onto a smaller drive.
So, the solution is to defrag the drive. Is that correct?
No, The solution is to move the files to the beginning of the drive. Doing a defrag is just one way of moving files although it's the easiest to try because every version of windows has a defragger.
The drive can be defragged successfully only when it is not active system drive.
No, the drive can still be defragged but the active system can't move system files or files in use.
Problem, doing this with Disk Defragmenter of Windows 7 is unsuccessful. The drive is inactive but Disk Defragmenter reports 10 unmovable files and the spread stays at 800GB.
Beats me, maybe the defrag in windows 7 is a little stupid. Maybe it "sees" system files and doesn't know they are for another operating system. Or maybe it goes by file names and excludes things like pagefile.sys without checking to see if they are really in use. It's a free tool, sometimes you get what you pay for. If MS included a really good defragger I'm sure someone would sue them.
Next step, find a defragging program that can do a better job than Disk Defragmenter of Windows 7.
Am I on the correct path or I should be doing other things?
That was actully another option I been thinking about but I recomended that you try Brians suggestion of using BING first.
It can resize partitions like the program I suggested and might be able to work for you.
If I'm on the correct path I need to find out what programs are capable of defragging my data which is on a RAID hard drive.
Possibly, but try using Brians program to resize it first.
You help is very much appreciated
edit: Am I correct to think that partition resizing program can't help before my data is deragged properly? So, first defrag and then resize the partition?
No, a partition resizing program will move the files to accomodate the smaller partition. Thats what it's made to do.
05-26-2010 05:35 PM
I agree with Dave.
Defragging is always mentioned in this context of restoring to a smaller HD. But I suspect that it only occasionally works because it can't move much data "to the left". But an offline defrag may work. There is a trial of PerfectDisk Professional here...
http://www.perfectdisk.com/products/home-perfectdi
Run a Boot Time scan. You will see the before and after results in the Analyze Drive Map graphic.
05-26-2010 05:40 PM
Let me ask you a question please
You say that this was or is a RAID. How did you add it to a system as a slave to try to defrag it with windows 7?
Did you somehow add the entire array to a winows 7 system?
Or was it a redundant setup where you could just use one drive and you have a second additional drive that has not been installed to the windows 7 system.
I guess I'm trying to figure out if it's still RAID or back to a single drive.
Dave
05-26-2010 05:42 PM
Forget my suggestion of PerfectDisk. It will put the page file in the middle of the partition.
Try BING.
05-26-2010 05:49 PM
Thanks a lot guys. Your answers helped a lot with understanding the solution.
I'll check BING
05-26-2010 05:56 PM - edited 05-26-2010 05:57 PM
This tell you how to create the CD.
double click makedisk.exe, next
dot in I accept the agreement, next
no tick for Registration, next
dot in Mouse Support Enabled, next
dot in VESA Video, next
dot in Partition Work (Don't put a dot in Normal), next
don't choose any Default Device Options (if necessary, these can be chosen in BING), next
leave Registration strings blank, next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc)
Finish
05-26-2010 07:21 PM - edited 05-26-2010 07:51 PM
Startup123,
A resize is easy but ask questions if needed. Choose 240,000 MB as the new size. If you only have 100 MB to move it won't take long.
I think BING works with hardware and firmware RAID, not software.
Edit.... That doesn't make sense. If it's a Vista partition it will contain a lot more than 100 MB.
If you meant 100 GB the resize may take over an hour. It depends on your hardware.
05-27-2010 06:33 PM
Brian, thank you very much for the simple instructions with using BING, they saved me the time to read the manual and figure it out.
The resizing of the partition with BOOT IT N G worked like a charm and the former 800GB partition is now 230GB. Vista still boots and runs from it without any problems. And I thought that will be the end fo my problems but unfortunately I'm stuck with another one.
After backing up the new 230GB partition with Ghost and restoring it on another hard drive, I can't boot from it. Everything seems OK, all files are there and the two (source and destination) look identical but I can't boot from the hard drive with the restoral. I tried again and again backing up and restoring with all possible options and still no luck. I checked in the options Active for booting, restore signature, copy MBR but these didn't help. I unplugged physically all other hard drives to stop the computer starting from other hard dirves and Windows showed this message:
file\windows\system32\windload.exe
status:0xc000000e
info: the selected entry could not be loaded because the application is missing or corrupt
I made several backups and restorals with verify for errors checked but at the end I can't boot from the restoral and I ran out of ideas. I can boot from that hard drive with Vista or Win7 if I install them directly.
