Hi, Viral,
Like the colourful Notifications!
If I understand you correctly, each time to Program on the computer is Run, File(s) will be Submitted to symantec? If so, does this apply to the Programs already installed on the User's computer that has not been Downloaded and Installed when N.I.S. 2010 was installed?
If the Download Insight Detects a File as Bad, or turns Bad, will Virus Definitions be Created and Released for that File?
If I understand this correctly, you have to connected to the internet for all this new functionality, correct?
So what is the new technology / systems doing for the users who may be offline from the internet for some periods of time? A company field service employee for example.
Also, if you download a "currently being monitored" file, go offline and install the program. Later, Norton decides this is a "Bad" file. When the user goes back online now does Norton remove the installation file and the installed program or what?
Hi, I'm one of the developers on Download Insight. I'll see if I can answer these questions.
Download Insight watches for executable files downloaded by Internet Explorer and Firefox. When the download has completed the hash of the file is computed and used as a query to our cloud servers. The file is never sent. If you don't have an Internet connection we won't be able to connect to the cloud, but you won't be able to download the file either. Programs that are already on the machine before the product is installed will not be checked when they are launched.
When you launch a file that was "watched' by Download Insight we make another query to our cloud to see if the data has changed. If we get no response from the cloud, say you have no Internet connection, we assume the file is unknown and will show an alert. If we are able to query and the file is now "Bad" we don't take automatic action but show "Bad"-type information on the alert.
I am investigating taking automatic action on these "Bad" files, so this behavior may change in a later beta build.
Hi, Garret_Polk,
"I am investigating taking automatic action on these "Bad" files...": What do you mean?
"Programs that are already on the machine before the product is installed will not be checked when they are launched." Why is this? I thought that it would check every Program on your computer, whether they had been Installed via Norton Download Insight on your computer because Anti-Virus Scans from the previous Product might have Not Detected a Threat/Threats on your computer - and that S.O.N.A.R. Missed - that Download Insight would Detect.
Thanks for getting back to us!
We're looking at automatically quarantining files when launched if their reputation level has changed to “Bad” from when they were downloaded and when they are launched. Right now we show an alert and ask.
"Programs that are already on the machine before the product is installed will not be checked when they are launched."
I’m speaking specifically of Download Intelligence, they are still processed by all our other protection engines (Auto-Protect, SONAR2, etc.). They are not analyzed by Download Intelligence because we did not identify them as a downloaded file.
It seems that there are multiple layers of protection in NIS, which is undoubtedly good. I, personally, don't care what protects me, as long as I am safe.
But, as seen in NIS 2010 beta forum, it happens that whatever protects me in NIS is over zealous. It just deletes the file without asking user's permission. I agree that we have to get rid of bad file, but not necessarily of the file which is simply unknown. If there will be too many false positives users will opt out from Norton Community Watch making the whole project less efficient.
Sever issue mdturner mentioned, is very important to reliability of cloud based security approach. At the same time, I hope, falling back on old, signature based solution, should be enough till problems are resolved . It should be, however, very short time.
Norton for a long time was chastised by security geeks (see wilderssecurity.com) for being too heavy on system resources. It is not entirely true what Viral says in video that "if you wanted security you had to sacrifice performance'. In 2007 or 2008 there were solutions as effective as Norton, or better, without being heavy on the system.
AFAIK new Norton is much better. Reliability of cloud based approach to security is crucial as most of the competition will most likely go in the same direction.
I agree that most people would feel the same way - "don't care as long as I am safe" but I go back to my previous comment. When systems that are protecting you prove to be unreliable/unavailable what is the point of a cloud based system? You may well be better off with the protection being back on your own system. It is all very well making protection systems lighter on your PC by moving some of the protection into the clouds but I remain to be convinced that this sort of compomise actually keeps us as safe as we would wish to be.

