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An above average users feed back

I shall start this off by stating Norton has been removed from all devices in this home. Coming to this decision was not completely based on the few bugs I encountered, but more along the lines of spending just the right amount of time in this forum and watching this Corporate business do what they do best, and that is collect money while ignoring their customers needs and wants. 

I have been in several Internet Security support forums, and have many a time, witnessed Developers in these forums working hand in hand with their customers to solve issues or adjust products. This is not the case here in this support forum. When you first come into the forum on its home page, drop down the advanced search and along the right hand side, you will see in the research results (40,826) "I need a solution" threads, obviously unanswered. This not only shows the lack of caring, but an unorganized community. I have seen many post already a month, two months old, where the user is still waiting for replies. With 11,000 + Employees, you would think Norton could handle this a little better, especially when privately own smaller security solutions can manage to be among their users and work with them, not relying on the kindness of Volunteers that can only make suggestions or forward things that are not dealt with until it becomes such a huge problem that the company has no choice. 

This part being said, I am the go to guy around my area when people get infected and or want advice on what security to use and how to set it up. I can no longer advise users to use Norton when I clearly see this lack of regard from the company itself in dealing with issues quickly and proficiently. Now above I stated, I took NS off all devices this morning, one thing instantly stood out upon doing so, after uninstalling, Norton placed in my start menu a in "recently Added" a short cut, that turned into after a period of minutes, Norton Security Scan, which upon opening told me I had time left and suggested I reinstall the product  Hello, your a security company and what I just witnessed, seems much like spam, a malicious action. I just uninstalled it and was cleaning up to have this forced back into my system.  I could never with clear conscious, advise my users to use a product that does this, nags their users and in ways, is almost as bad as spammers. Now I shall present you with a list of things I noticed while using your products, and when I say use, I also tested, quite heavily in a VM with malware. Before I list these, I will state, that Norton over time has become quite solid at stopping newer threats, especially with the reputation system, that is the fail safe to lack of signatures with newer samples, this was a good move on your part incorporating this. It is mainly the lack of caring and fixing the issues that end up being long standing that has altered my desire to use or recommend your products..

1. Norton Security: With the newest Creators update, there have been many issues reported, the main I seen personally was the issue either with Fast start up, or the security center upon installation, where NS is not recognized by the security center, this, is a big ouch, when a user witnesses this happen it does not instill faith right away. The Norton Toolbar is still present "No one should be using Toolbars at this period of time. The safe search feature, is powered by Ask, seriously, you can not find a way to incorporate another engine such as maybe, Bing/Google. Ask delivers up more malware then other search engines, and is highly associated with a bad taste in the mouth left by Ask, some time ago. The security Portal for users, has some serious syncing issues, this has also left many frustrated, and was not taking seriously until pushed, and even now, not fully resolved. 

2. Norton Wifi Privacy: Upon first installation I could not even sign into my account, why you ask, because no automatic rules were created in Nortons firewall for the application and it was being blocked from connecting out bound until I went into the firewall/program control and manually created a rule and allowed it. How many of your non techy customers would figure that out? The desktop "PC" version has loading "Sync" issues with its servers at times, and when it does, it impacts the speed/performance in an extreme manor. When enabled, I literally would have only 1/4 of my ISP speed. Normally I hit around 120 to 130 mbps, with NWP enabled, I'm lucky to hit 30 mbps, and if you think for a minute, could you imagine if your on an ISP that only has 15 to 18 mbps speeds available or affordable how bad this would affect performance. Now on mobile devices, connection problem seems worse, and is very slow, especially if your having over lapping wifi signal issues in your area, constant dropping and loading occurs and makes it extremely difficult to do anything. Testing to see if my ISP was indeed throttling my speed intentionally produced no results, as I switched Firewall protocols with the same effect on both. It is not my ISP, it is your severs in need of some serious tweaking. 

All of the above has been my perspective on this company and its products, while not known here very well, I'm am known in Security Forums out in cyberland, I am proficient enough to figure out most issues, and help those that I do, but I can on my end, only do so much, and this is where Norton as a company fails, and has earned my side stepping of this company altogether. I have gone back to smaller but privately owned companies that still realize that without their customers, they are nothing, and treat them with great care because of. 

Take care Norton, I do hope at some point you will consider all of this above, and make a change, that will not only benefit your users, but yourself also. 

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I've been using Norton Suite, paid and provided through Comcast for years now,and I'm sorry the above gentleman was so "fed up", but I just stumbled through here tonight and can't come even close the that gentleman's experience.

He doesn't mention talking directly to support people.  All these programs and sites need to improve, but I must say when I've tried other products it's just not as thorough and a safe feeling as with Norton. 

I particularly like that it can catch a new malware before it installs. Yes there are a lot of false positives.  But I can make the decision to keep or deny installation after Norton serves it up to me.  That certainly is better than false negatives or letting malware through. Sure there are many things I would like to be different with this program but overall, I grudgingly say it does meet my needs.

I can never do a system restore on windows 10 without first uninstalling Norton.  That's a pain, but I have the time.

The above OP said it wasn't the product that bothered him or didn't meet his standards, it was the appearance of lack of caring or movement, with Norton hierarchy's unresponsiveness to people in the forum.  If he had written that he talked to managers and employees about why certain things aren't' being taken care of, I would give more credibility to his long statement.  Sure I don't like to see other's frustrated and upset over a software that does not perform in the manner they expect. But for me, it couldn't be severe enough to make me uninstall Norton with the desire to vent about it. 

 Although, I do admit, I would uninstall Norton if I found something better.  It does have a lot of frustrating quirks and stubbornness in changing settings but it does do the job well for me, and bottom line that's what it is all about, right? It takes care of my malware protection needs.

If the gentleman comes back to read comments I'd really advise him to speak to individuals and find out exactly what the problems are, and why do they appear to not care about solving problems. I'm sure this gentleman is aware that this, as most support forums are moderated and really supported and ran by volunteers. Thy have more knowledge than the average Joe, but of course, can't compete/compare with a Norton technician.  This is where I think that gentleman makes an error.  Norton staff rarely are here, that is why if you have a real problem that needs timely solutions you can't get it from this forum. As with most software forums you must talk to a support  employee.  I'm, certain if he had done that, and paid attention to his own needs and stress points, that he'd come out of here satisfied.

You have to realize there obviously must be reasons that the 44,000 problems listed on one or two topics most likely is unsolvable.  Let's all just lift chin's up, fasten boot straps and carry on. Let it pass over you like a tepid river flowing around your neck and shoulders while in Hawaii. 

Well, that kind of thing works well for me, and I find that if I put earthly problems in cosmic perspective it becomes my choice to get upset about, or not, and always realize I can't change people, places or things. Then it's up to me to keep my side of the street clean and tidy, and let others live and be how they are. Id say the OP did that to a degree. But, he wasn't a happy camper overall.  It's so much easier if you can, with wisdom, recognize the difference of is it really my issue or someone else's chosen battle. Carry on!

And, God no, I'm not an employee.

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Im a computer tech, that helps/advises other users what security to use, and generally i set it up for them, this is somewhat mentioned above. 

I also mentioned that smaller companies can find a way to have their Developers "the ones that actually fix issues to the product" work hand in hand with their user base in their support forums, this i do not see here at all, matter of fact, many times i have seen users advised not to bother forwarding things to support here, as it will more then likely not be handled, and why the "Guru's" themselves have contact with the employee's themselves. A look through many threads/posts will show you many frustrated individuals that have tried working with support. Many users i work with personally have worked with Norton support via phone or chat and have walked away from the product because of. 

I in no way slammed the product for its ability as you stated. This is because when it comes to malware, Norton is solid, not perfect, but solid. As far as that goes though, the need for full internet security suites is slowly dying as the Operating systems themselves become more secure. Most Techs are now leaning towards supplement security with Windows Defaults, like Anti- Executable's and or Policy Restriction applications. I myself use SRP "Software Restriction Policy" software to supplement windows built in security. 

I can tell you honestly, if you could witness Norton being tested in a Virtual environment against fresher malware samples, you would be impressed with Nortons abilities to defend, you would also in the same breath be floored by the fact that if you left Windows default modules like "Smartscreen and UAC" on, at the fact that you literally would have to allow those samples through Smartscreen every time in order to test Norton, think on that a minute....  

So to end this, i do not need support to remote a system and slap a band aid on an issue, what all Norton users need, is Developers willing to listen and work with its user base, fix the problem at the source. If this were to change, Norton would become even bigger then it is now. As for observation again, i would like to point out still using toolbars for browsers, something abandoned long ago by many users burned. Also, Safe search, powered with with a search engine "infamous" from its own spamming toolbar and serving up malware many times through its history, something a security company as big as Norton, should know better then have implemented. Wifi "VPN" that slows even the fastest of internet speeds to a crawl, almost unusable, these are things Norton needs to fix on its end, not on users machines. 

So while i thank you for your feedback, i address it with understanding that i have enough knowledge to know what im talking about, and if i do not, i will not comment, and or "ask".   "Pun intended at the last word of the that last sentence" :) 

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>> you may submit your concerns thru Norton Feedback & Product Suggestions

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bjm_:

>> you may submit your concerns thru Norton Feedback & Product Suggestions

Appreciate the link, these "concerns" that have been mentioned, some addressed in threads miles long , are still not addressed, and this leaves users with the lack of motivation to continue beating their heads against the brick wall, knowing at some point, it may start to hurt. Why it continues to be swept under the rug, that, is the million dollar question. 

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illumination:

I shall start this off by stating Norton has been removed from all devices in this home. Coming to this decision was not completely based on the few bugs I encountered, but more along the lines of spending just the right amount of time in this forum and watching this Corporate business do what they do best, and that is collect money while ignoring their customers needs and wants. 
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Take care Norton, I do hope at some point you will consider all of this above, and make a change, that will not only benefit your users, but yourself also.

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Re: An above average users feed back

bjm_:
illumination:

I shall start this off by stating Norton has been removed from all devices in this home. Coming to this decision was not completely based on the few bugs I encountered, but more along the lines of spending just the right amount of time in this forum and watching this Corporate business do what they do best, and that is collect money while ignoring their customers needs and wants. 
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Take care Norton, I do hope at some point you will consider all of this above, and make a change, that will not only benefit your users, but yourself also.

Cute, but i left feedback here that was replied too. I see many of you Gurus stating not to bother contacting support to users in many posts in this forum, and many unresolved issues, it was with hopes this feedback would be welcomed as helpful suggestions to make things better for all users, and not as stated above, swept under as are issues that still plague this place and the products.  

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>> you may submit your concerns thru Norton Feedback & Product Suggestions

>> you may Chat with Official Norton Support

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