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Kudos0

Fingbox and Norton Core

Hello, I have Norton core and I looked into is using fingbox to compliment the wireless security. I've heard fingbox an a compliment cujo but is it okay to use with Norton core? I'm looking for an unbiased view please and not only die hard Norton fans. Thanks

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Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

Hello Stealthx Using one or both those appliances on Core in my personal view as a Core owner is simply overkill. One device would simply be stepping on the other causing serious issues. Logic tells me, with many years in the IT field issues will present themselves as the Core already does what both these devices promise and more. Fingbox appears to still be in a VERY Beta stage as well. Cujo doesn't support some of the features Core does. Here is a set of unbiased reviews for you :

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/33108-cujo-smart-internet-firewall-second-look

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/33165-fing-fingbox-reviewed

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/33143-norton-core-router-reviewed

Cheers

Retired military (Navy 1980-2002) "From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1803 / build 17134.112 / NSBU 22.14.2.13 / Norton Core v.237 / Norton BETA tester
Kudos1 Stats

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

New member, new Norton Core owner here.

I have the fingbox (and most of the Norton Core competitors, hey I like tinkering with gadgets ).

The fingbox plays nicely on my network.

Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

Thanks for sharing that info cap!!

Cheers

Retired military (Navy 1980-2002) "From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1803 / build 17134.112 / NSBU 22.14.2.13 / Norton Core v.237 / Norton BETA tester
Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

The review is showing that Norton core doesn't do a great job at even simple blocking attack attempts. It appears that cujo is a superior product. Can you confirm?
Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

As a Core owner I can vouch that the review is totally incorrect. Core stops risks on ALL my connected devices. The screenshot is just one example.

Cheers

Retired military (Navy 1980-2002) "From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1803 / build 17134.112 / NSBU 22.14.2.13 / Norton Core v.237 / Norton BETA tester
Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

I have a complicated home network with most of these devices all working more or less together.

No device catches everything, I have stuff that is caught by Norton, others caught by a competitors device, and some that none of them caught, but my Enterprise grade Watchguard T15 firewall caught (the Watchguard is my 'edge' security, first thing traffic in hits and last thing traffic out hits). So on outbound, if Watchguard blocks something, the Core or another device I have did not stop it.

Basic diagram on my setup:

Internet --> Watchguard T15 -> Bitdefender Box2 --> Cujo in bridge mode --> Norton Core --> MicroTik rackmount router --> Bullguard Dojo --> My main PC

The Dojo picks off some stuff. If it misses it, the Norton has a chance to block it, then the Cujo then Box2 then Watchguard.

During the week all of them block something, so that means stuff is getting past Dojo, and Norton, Cujo, Box2.

The Watchguard is pretty darn good blocking inbound, so the Core and others never ever have a chance to block it, so most of my data points are outbound.

For instance, 15 minutes ago Cujo threw this alert, so this was not alerted on by Dojo or Norton core:

"Detected attempt to visit 34.224.234.201:80. This IP is categorized as BotNet.'

Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

Isnt it bad to have so many securitu devices working at the same time?
Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

It slows things down a little (the watchguard the most, I should have bought a T30 for a little more horsepower).

The way I have them setup, they are all staying out of each other's way, the Norton dings my security score because of the attached router downstream, but it doesn't impact the functionality of these devices. From my PC to the internet the traffic flows through all of them.

The Cujo is temporary, going to set that one up on my mother-in-laws home network when we visit her in a few weeks.

The Bitdefender will be redunant probably this year because Watchguard just signed a deal for Bitdefender to provide some of the security software the Watchguard firewalls will run. I have a 3 year license on the Watchguard firewall, so that won't be going anywhere soon, might give the Box2 to my brother if the Watchguard ends up running pretty much the same software.

Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

capnrob97 When you said;

Internet --> Watchguard T15 -> Bitdefender Box2 --> Cujo in bridge mode --> Norton Core --> MicroTik rackmount router --> Bullguard Dojo --> My main PC

I CRINGE in ways unimaginable seeing 3 devices on your setup where Core cannot protect any devices connected upstream. A triple NAT setup none the less. Multiple devices with its own firewall and networks, both wifi and Ethernet - One device basically working against the other. CORE would certainly be the first device in this setup all else are functionally redundant for the protection of a home network. The costs were astronomical as well. However to each their own I say.

Cheers

Retired military (Navy 1980-2002) "From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1803 / build 17134.112 / NSBU 22.14.2.13 / Norton Core v.237 / Norton BETA tester
Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

Is watchguard better than Norton core?
Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

Watchguard is a business grade firewall appliance, with a lot more features and configurations than you typical consumer grade router / firewall.

I won't say it is 'better' than the Norton core, but can probably scale up better than a Core can.

Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

That's good info. Can it protect IoT devices and be configured or work with Norton core without causing conflicts? Can cujo work with Norton without conflicts?
Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core


I currently have all 3 running 'conflict' free. The only conflict, if you can call it that, is that if one device blocks something, the other device doesn't have an opportunity to see it and handle it.

Another thing about a firewall like Watchguard (and Cisco, SonicWall, etc) is you have a lot of control over the firewall rules.

So for instance, a consumer grade router might let you setup a rule that says 'Block anyone trying to go to www.facebook.com'

The Watchguard lets you say 'My employees are allowed to access facebook.com from their work computers, but block them from posting new content or playing a facebook game. Also, you get a lot of insight into what is coming and going through the network via reporting. And with the watchguard, I have a world map with each country clickable. In one click, I can instantly shut down all traffic to and from ip addresses in a given country. Probably the kind of control the Norton Core developers have that we don't have on the consumer side.

Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

Indeed. The watch word for Core is "consumer". If I were a small business owner I would have more than just Core on the network for protection just for the "selectivity". Not as many nor the type of setup being discussed. I've always been one to head off what I know people will eventually do which will compromise a network. In the military we called it OPSEC. If a user doesn't need access to certain resources they just don't get it. Core if properly used will do just fine for a small business, but is mostly designated for the secure home and iOT.

Cheers

Retired military (Navy 1980-2002) "From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1803 / build 17134.112 / NSBU 22.14.2.13 / Norton Core v.237 / Norton BETA tester
Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

I guess back to my original question, if I connect cujo or fingbox to core, will there be issue? I think fingbox is not a firewall and only protects WiFi using the digital fence that core doesnt do. Does Norton use machine learning or AI? McAfee is using AI and machine learning now.
Kudos0

Re: Fingbox and Norton Core

According to this article Symantec uses AI technologies: https://www.symantec.com/about/newsroom/press-releases/2017/symantec_0201_01

Cheers

Retired military (Navy 1980-2002) "From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1803 / build 17134.112 / NSBU 22.14.2.13 / Norton Core v.237 / Norton BETA tester

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