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Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

January 25 2017 Update: 

Latest Norton Identity Safe 2.0.65 Add-on Update is now compatible with Firefox browser


July 7 2016 Update:

Work on the extension continues, still on track. See Tony's reply for some additional information. 


April 5 2016 Update:

We are continuing to work on a solution. See Athena's comment for detailed project information and mockups of the functionality.


March 17 2016 Update:

Hi everyone, it’s been a few weeks since the initial status update, and our team has heard your concerns and appreciate your feedback. We’re still on track for the August 2016 release. If things change, we will update this thread with the information. We are watching and working closely with Mozilla’s web extensions development plans – see Mozilla’s update here: Advantages of WebExtensions for Developers. Thanks again for your patience and understanding.



The limited compatibility of Identity Safe with Firefox has been a painful ongoing issue for several months. This isn’t an issue that’s being ignored, but until recently we haven’t been able to communicate much about our plans. The changes that Mozilla made to the Firefox browser and extensions forced us to evaluate our toolbar. Coupled with the upcoming changes in Windows, it became clear that we needed to perform some major rethinking on how our toolbar interacts with browsers. We now have a solid long-term plan to create a Norton Toolbar that will operate on IE, Edge, Firefox, and Chrome.  Building something that works on all 4 major browsers takes some time, but ultimately will help with the ever-changing browser extension limitations, and make it easier for customers to access their vault information.

That’s the tough decision we had to make – committing to building a better Norton Toolbar for the long-term, as opposed to a quick fix in the short-term. This doesn’t help you today, and I’m sorry. We’re looking to have compatibility available around August 2016, though it’s important to know that this is a general timeframe that may shift. We will share details as we get closer to a completed product. In the meantime, we hope you’ll stick around.

Tony Weiss | Norton Forums Global Community Manager | Symantec Corporation

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Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

@hok,

Mate, you are free to agree and use this extension but I won't be.

A little bit of knowledge is... well a little bit of knowledge.
Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Krusty13:

No, only IP addresses, Internet Service Providers, time spend using the extension, sites visited etc, that's all.

Huh? What do you mean by that Krusty?

Is all this Google stuff imposed on Norton by Mozilla?

Is Mozilla the Gorilla here?

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

LOL I love when am right. I said they would pull this and like always am right. Guys don't use it, it isn't safe and under tested. Only reason they released it was to quiet customers.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Gayathri_R:

Well, Tony spoke too soon.

Be among the first to experience the new Norton Identity Safe on your Firefox browser.

Thank you for your patience and understanding as we develop the next generation in online safety. A Pre-Release version of the “browser-independent" Norton Identity Safe is available for download. If you’re interested in testing the add-on for Firefox, download it now: Norton Identity Safe Add-on for Firefox Browser

Identity Safe with Firefox has been an ongoing issue and we apologize for the frustration you had to experience during this delay. Changes that Mozilla made to their Firefox browser forced us to completely re-design the Norton Identity Safe toolbar to make sure our customers get the best experience, and today the new browser-independent Norton Identity Safe product has reached the Pre-Release phase which brings back the much awaited Online-Vault feature.

Please note – this extension only provides partial support for Vault Logins. This extension will fill and capture Logins, but does not support viewing or editing Logins. We are evaluating future plans for Login support as well as additional Vault items like Addresses, Wallet, Notes, and Favorites.

Also, both the existing Identity Safe extension and this Pre-Release extension have the same name. They can exist and function side-by-side. In the next update to Norton Security, the new Identity Safe extension it will have the same name as in the Chrome extension (Norton Security Toolbar). But for now, they share the same name.

Additionally, Local Vault is not supported for this Pre-Release version of Identity Safe.

Supports Firefox 48.0 and above

If you have the Norton product installed, you will have two different extensions on Firefox for Norton Identity Safe.

1. An extension for SafeSearch & SafeWeb

2. An extension for Norton Identity Safe (Vault)

Visit the Norton Toolbar / Norton Identity Safe forum to post your questions or comments. If you are using the Pre-Release extension, please note which version you are running.

Thank you,
Gayathri

I don't see anything in the announcement about a one year extension of subscriptions for loss of use by Firefox users. Was that an oversight ?

And golly jee whiz! Did you have to post this so soon after Tony W's last post? You ruined my fun. I was gonna post this in response to Tony W:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEZw7YtbFbI

Party Pooper :-)

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

hok:
Krusty13:

No, only IP addresses, Internet Service Providers, time spend using the extension, sites visited etc, that's all.

Huh? What do you mean by that Krusty?

Is all this Google stuff imposed on Norton by Mozilla?

Is Mozilla the Gorilla here?

 I do not know the details yet but I'll let you know if I find out more.

A little bit of knowledge is... well a little bit of knowledge.
Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Party Time :-) Yay!

Thanks to Symantec/Norton Tech for all their hard work imposed on them by Mozilla and it's insane, relentless re-versioning timeline. But I guess that's the price to be paid for maintaining it's status of producing the best browser in the world -- FireFox.

Mozilla may be a leader, but it does so like a bull in a china shop, leaving others behind in its wake with the task of picking up the pieces and putting their Humpty Dumpties back together again.

Thanks again to Symantec for not totally abandoning FireFox devotees, a tiny, savy minority of internet surfers.

I think I might even have a few days left on my NS subscription.

Kudos2 Stats

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

NO LOCAL VAULT. Goodbye Firefox.

I hope Norton doesn't kill the Local Vault with new extensions for Google, IE and Edge.

Got to rate this a Total Fail.

Jim

Kudos1 Stats

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Um, is there a Symantec Mozilla Firefox Browser Extensions Privacy Notice akin to
Symantec Google Chrome Browser Extensions Privacy Notice >
https://www.symantec.com/content/dam/symantec/docs/policies/symantec-google-chrome-privacy-statement-en.pdf

(source https://www.symantec.com/privacy/)

Kudos1 Stats

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Pnoneman wrote:

NO LOCAL VAULT. Goodbye Firefox.

I hope Norton doesn't kill the Local Vault with new extensions for Google, IE and Edge.

Got to rate this a Total Fail.

Jim

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I am just leaving and will be out of town for the next three days.  As I have said before, marvelous things can happen in three days. The miracle that was not may still happen before my return. I'm talking about the death (with no resurrection!...) of the LOCAL VAULT and the dubious reference to it in Gayathri_R's announcement.

If all remains as it is right now, then BYE, BYE Norton!... And like hok says:  I think I might even have a few days left on my NS subscription... 

For the first time in years, no Cheers!  

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

I understand the irritations that have been attributable to Firefox updates which have been causing problems for the past 5 to 10 years. As popular and effective browsers such as IE, or Chrome have not created these difficulties, it is hard to blame Norton/Symantec entirely for this failure. What I would blame Norton/Symantec for is the following:

1. Undervaluing customer value placed on the day-by-day usefulness of Norton ID (not only the firewall and antivirus functions) as an important part of security.

2. The attempt to phase out existing software for the local vault and Norton seems unresponsive to repeated customer statements that this is important to them.

Although I am not wedded to Firefox, if there is no straightforward local vault function with future versions of Norton ID, this indicates inability to prioritize user security preferences or perhaps just as worrying insufficient software design expertise. I will start investigating other programs, not only for password management, but like many others here I would be looking at competing general security packages. If Norton propose having a password manager which is separately paid for by the user, then it had better have local vault functionality.

I have indicated over and over that I do not appreciate being forced not to have a local store of passwords that does not depend on access to the Norton cloud vault.

I must repeat that I have used Norton since the mid-90s, so it would be quite a wrench after20 years!

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

I am prepared to wait for a worthwhile fully functioning product. I am even willing to add something to my subscription payment. But I cannot accept being forced to abandon use of a local vault. Why is Norton ignoring this simple request, not for something new and complex, but to retain an aspect that has long been part of their software capability.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

For me after  many decades with Norton used across a number of current businesses, if you stop the local vault. I stop using Norton.

Simples'

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Yup I am aware that this is tough for fighters like you and employees like TonyW.

That suggests that people higher in the chain of authority are insufficiently engaged.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

It will be useful to hear about your choice of alternatives. Let us know.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

If I am able to continue using the local vault with Chrome or IE, as until now, I will be happy. I don't really agree with you that this is a freebie, as it has been part of the package which I have been paying for years, and password management is important for security, not just a trivial extra. I have ever not insulted anyone who works for Norton/Symantec, and am willing to give up on Firefox. As long as Norton/Symantec respect my request not to have local vault capability options taken away from other browsers.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Gayathri, I am looking for clarification about the local vault functionality.

1. Will this continue to be available with browsers such as Chrome or IE?

2. Is it Norton/Symantec's plan to try to compel users toward exclusive use of the cloud vault?

3. Is it intended to be available on Firefox as well at some point soon?

Several of us have asked about this I believe, but I have not seen clear answers yet. Though yours goes some way to dealing with it, could you be more explicit?

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

I see issue appears to have first started with limited toolbar on 23rd September 2015 with Firefox 41, will soon be first birthday - will we be having a celebration? I think not with promised fix by end of year.

Kudos3 Stats

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Its working for me and if improvements come along even better, have tried the other browsers over this disastrous year with Norton vault and they really suck in comparison to my tweaked Firefox, none of them can quite do the same.

Am I missing something here? I do understand some of you are inherently suspicious of Google and cloud services, but nothing I really have is so attractive to a potential hacker and really, is anything hack proof. Just changed my password with dropbox because of a hack.

Kudos2 Stats

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Same here, Wizard.  The interim Identity Safe seems to be working fine for me on Firefox.  Because I need to use the same vault on three computers, one of them a laptop, a cloud vault is the only way to go for me.  I have no real use for a local vault.  I know that there is a perceived vulnerability, but I have only a few logins that would be of interest to a hacker and I have converted those to two-factor authentication.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Working for me....

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

As a user of Comcast Norton Security Suite the "solution" that Symantec is offering does not work at all.  The Comcast version only offers a local vault with no way to set up a cloud vault (which I really don't want).  I did install the new extension extension to see what would happen and as I suspected my Norton Security suite does not even recognize the new extension.   Also I was under the impression that Symantec was doing a complete rewrite for Firefox and Chrome since what you have done does not address the documented problems I am having running the Xfinity TV in my Chrome and Firefox 64 bit browser.  In Chrome I cannot run live Xfinity TV unless I disable the Norton toolbar (I only get the voice). In Firefox 64 bit once the current Norton Identity Safe extension is activated it does not allow me to watch recorded Xfinity TV material. The 32 bit version of Firefox will work with the recorded content. Once the Norton extension is activated in Firefox 64 bit (with a new install) deactivating the Norton extension does not help in my viewing the recorded.   So far I am very disappointed by your nearly one year effort. 

Kudos1 Stats

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

14 days left on my subscription.  I downloaded and installed the FF extension, but when I click on the Identity Safe icon, it says my vault is locked.  I click on the button to unlock, and then nothing.  Not sure if I did something wrong, but I kind of have a feeling that I may have to stick with Chrome for at least a bit longer. Once my subscription expires, I will be changing to something else.  I have been a faithful Symantec/Norton user for decades, and I think that this level of customer service, particularly communication, is the worst I have experienced.    Hopefully things will get squared away shortly.  Semper Fi.

Ron

Kudos2 Stats

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Same here; working fine on FF 48.0.1. This is just me but I wanted a local vault way back when, or at least the option. But, I have 5 computers (including a laptop) in the home network and one at a remote site so the cloud works for me. However, I do not trust my banking, investment or other sensitive financial data to it. I'm a suspenders and belt kind of guy, I suppose.

Anyway, no worries so far. Thanks, Symantec!

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Not working here on 48.0.2.  Same symptoms as blkadder.  It recognizes the login, prompts me to log into identity safe (even though I'm already logged in at the PC level), then nothing.  Same symptoms even if I disable my FF popup blocker and AdBlock Plus.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Man some of you guys are just way to easy and allowing these guys to get away with the lies for last year then they give us what i see as an alpha that really doesn't look secure. 

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

If it will help someone I was getting a blank window when I clicked on the new icon. I had to temporarily disable Noscript and restart Firefox. I then was able to log into the vault, re enabled Noscript and second browser restart and all is well.

FWIW, I reversed vault on the cloud back to local, quite a while ago. However while vault was being redone I wasn't comfortable using having to choose between Chrome or IE on my laptop or desktop. I installed Norton vault on my Android phone and added the pin to it and used the build in Norton Browser.(still wish Symantec would release a it's own browser, with vault like exists on the android app) I am not as comfortable using "cloud " for anything but at least I can use vault with stronger passwords to access sites on all devices.

Kudos3 Stats

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Not sure why some are upset by a Cloud Vault. Is it the security of the Cloud Storage that troubles you or the transmission between your PC and The Cloud Storage?

Do you believe that your PC is more secure than Symantec's Cloud Storage??

The day Symantec's Cloud Storage gets hacked and passwords in a useable/decryptable format are stolen, is the day Symantec's stock drops by 25%+ and it's reputation will sink to zero, and it would take years to rebuild it's reputation. Symantec knows this.

Unless I am missing something (would not surprise) I would not worry about Symantec's Cloud Storage. Your time would be better spent avoiding getting struck by lightning.

Just my 2 cents.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

works fine (with known limitations) on 2 different computers, W10, FF 48.0.2

Kudos0

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someotherdude:

works fine (with known limitations) on 2 different computers, W10, FF 48.0.2

Are you using WIN 1067?

Kudos0

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No, using 1607 on both

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hok:

Unless I am missing something (would not surprise) I would not worry about Symantec's Cloud Storage.

I totally agree.  The information is encrypted and decrypted locally, and Symantec does not know your password.  The data on Symantec's servers is therefore unusable to any potential hacker without your password, which only you know.  Furthermore, access to the online vault requires that you be signed into your Norton account, which can be secured with two-step authentication in addition to a nice, long password.  So Mr. Hacker would need to guess two different very long passwords and have access to my cell phone in order to get into my vault.  And of course, you only get three password guesses, after which the vault contents would be deleted, and access to the now-empty vault would require a new password.  Sure, I suppose there could be a data breach, and a hacker could try to brute force a password for every account that was exposed.  Nothing is 100% foolproof...but laptops get stolen too, so a local vault does not guarantee security either.  If you want to worry about online safety, I would be most concerned about the security of the websites where you are entering your passwords - that's where the data breaches are happening.

Kudos3 Stats

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Hi everyone,

https://community.norton.com/en/forums/pre-release-norton-identity-safe-...

I've created the above thread to point people to the pre-release version. I've also included a list of known issues and potential fixes for the issues, which I will repost here. Thanks.




KNOWN ISSUES
Customers have reported the following issues with the Pre-Release Norton Identity Safe for Firefox. Our engineers are working to resolve these issues.

  • For some customers, logging into Norton Identity Safe Vault Login the first time, login is stuck at “Signing Into your account, Please wait” page.
  • ​​After logging in to Norton Identity safe Vault in Firefox,  and clicking “Open Vault” option, nothing happens. Thread1 Thread2

If you're experiencing either of the above issues, we recommend that you first try the following:

  1. Ensure you're running the latest available FF48. Older versions may not reliably support the WebExtensions API’s used by Norton Identity Safe.
  2. Perform a “Firefox refresh" (WARNING: removes your extensions from your user profile. Your favorite extensions will need to be reinstalled)
Tony Weiss | Norton Forums Global Community Manager | Symantec Corporation
Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

I am less concerned with where the vault is than that it work through the constant Firefox updates. It is some hassle to set up, and then if it breaks every time FF changes, it will be just like before. I hope the new ID Safe will be immune to FF version ...

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Where do I tell you which browser to use? r u dyslexic?

Is that how you jumbled all the words up and got "I am telling you to use this browser - I am God!"

Muppet ...

Kudos1 Stats

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Yaay! Thanks guys! Finally!

It's only taken two years, but WooHoo!

Thanks for your patience Tony, it is much appreciated by many of us.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

Hello You Forgot

To whom are you typing your post to?

Thanks.

Success always occurs in private and failure in full view. Windows 7 Pro 64 bit NSBU 22.17.0.183 Core Firmware 282 I E 11 Chrome latest version.
Kudos0

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Tony, any option less drastic than a Firefox refresh for the "nothing happens" problem?  I don't want to dump all my extensions for a possible fix for a problem in a pre-release version.  Thanks.

Kudos2 Stats

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I did the FF refresh, and things are working pretty well.  Hopefully the system will be tweaked to look like the version that shows on my Chrome.  Thanks to Tony and everyone getting this stuff to work.

Ron

...Semper Fi...

Kudos0

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Kudos0

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So Tony, it is now September 1st, 2016. Where is the update?

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

A little bit of knowledge is... well a little bit of knowledge.
Kudos1 Stats

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

For all of you who can find no reason that we don't all love the cloud idea, let me posit but a few:

  1. On your PC, you Own your vault. In the Cloud, Norton owns your vault.
  2. Privacy rules can, and undoubtedly will change over time, and neither you nor I have ANY input or control over those changes, or how onerous or lax they become. Anyone remember Facebook?
  3. The security and/or operation of the cloud vault can be modified at any time, to anything, for any reason Norton chooses. That's what ownership confers. There is zero guarantee that the safety features some find so comforting will continue in the future. Probably will, but...
  4. One National Security Letter and ALL of Norton's cloud data - and much else as well - is available to the government sans judicial review, showing of probable cause, or subject to any other rational process limits.

Bottom line, if you don't mind permanently losing control of your information, go cloud. If, like me, you don't like the idea of surrendering control of data, a local vault is a key feature. No local vault, no Norton for me, and yet another multi-decade customer moves on. Simple really, I choose to buy products that do what I want them to do, and abandon them when they don't. Shame Norton/Symantec doesn't give a rat's gluteals about their customer base anymore. More's the shame that they are not alone in that attitude.

Kudos1 Stats

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@keithahughes The funny part is Norton Internet Security is suppose to help protect ua. Yet here they are putting us into a uncertain and possible unsecure area with our most guarded online possession! :-D

Kudos4 Stats

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Guys, not that it will do any good but feel free to add you voice here  -  Please Return The Local Vault

Thanks.

A little bit of knowledge is... well a little bit of knowledge.
Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

keithahughes:

For all of you who can find no reason that we don't all love the cloud idea, let me posit but a few:

  1. On your PC, you Own your vault. In the Cloud, Norton owns your vault.
  2. Privacy rules can, and undoubtedly will change over time, and neither you nor I have ANY input or control over those changes, or how onerous or lax they become. Anyone remember Facebook?
  3. The security and/or operation of the cloud vault can be modified at any time, to anything, for any reason Norton chooses. That's what ownership confers. There is zero guarantee that the safety features some find so comforting will continue in the future. Probably will, but...
  4. One National Security Letter and ALL of Norton's cloud data - and much else as well - is available to the government sans judicial review, showing of probable cause, or subject to any other rational process limits.

Bottom line, if you don't mind permanently losing control of your information, go cloud. If, like me, you don't like the idea of surrendering control of data, a local vault is a key feature. No local vault, no Norton for me, and yet another multi-decade customer moves on. Simple really, I choose to buy products that do what I want them to do, and abandon them when they don't. Shame Norton/Symantec doesn't give a rat's gluteals about their customer base anymore. More's the shame that they are not alone in that attitude.

FWIW:

National Security Letters are not dragnet/fishing expeditions. Each NSL is directed at a specific individual “relevant to an authorized investigation to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities.”

The NSL statute allows the FBI to obtain a customer’s name, address, length of service, communications (phone and Internet) records, and banking and other financial and credit information.

NSLs are only issued to:

 Credit reporting agencies
 Telecommunications providers
 Financial institutions
 Travel agencies

However, if the NS TOS/EULA/License Agreement claims that data stored in the cloud is the property of Symantec, then I totally agree with your opposition to the Cloud Vault.

EDIT: Having taken a look at the relevant Licesning Agreements, it may be a good time for Norton to update the Privacy Data Protection Sections of those agreements which appear to have a void respecting the Data stored in the Cloud Vault.

Kudos1 Stats

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If I remember correctly it was with the release of NIS 2013 that you could no longer create a Local Vault. If you already had one it would still work. The same holds true today. The reason Norton gave was that it was confusing their customers and they were getting to many calls for support.  

Jim 

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Why a Local Vault?

If it breaks I can fix it on my system. I also have the same vault on 3 of my systems so I always have access. If it breaks at Norton then you have to wait for them to fix. It has happen many times over the years where Norton had server problems and customers could not log on to their Norton Account or their Cloud Vault. It just happen over the past 2 days. Local Vault is a must for me.

Jim 

Kudos3 Stats

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

I was one of those bleating harshly when we lost auto login with Norton ID safe. Mozilla, as I stated back then, informed Norton of the necessary changes well in advance and Norton chose not to do anything, a bit more complicated than that, but in essence accurate. Firefox as those of us who have used it "forever" will attest to its attributes and abilities that no other current browser can emulate, hence the aggressive responses I suggest, to the loss of ability of Norton Safe.

No question Norton behaved extremely badly in this, but now it works, not perfectly and I still have some issues, but have to assume this will be improved on as time passes.

As far as cloud goes, I always wonder at certain peoples fanatical concerns that "authorities" could access their data? This is not at all easy considering the encryption involved, but  If you are innocent of any wrong doing, surely you have nothing to worry about? Its like having CCTV cameras in the streets, I applaud that, have cameras on every street and back ally, and public place, because only those intending to "misbehave" need concern themselves and those of us with families especially, can feel a little safer!

No one is letting Norton off the hook, they need to make good, but have definitely taken one good step forward in this debacle of theirs.

Kudos0

Re: Identity Safe limited compatibility with Firefox - current status

This is no longer exactly on target, but I have to comment on this.

Wizard 1:

The fact that a person is law-abiding should have no bearing on this. The old 'if you aren't doing anything wrong, you should not mind' argument only applies until the marker on what constitutes wrongdoing is moved.

Benjamin Frankilin said it best:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Why not go all the way, make everyone give DNA samples and have implanted chips so the 'authorities' know where they are and what everyone is doing all the time. That would make it easier to catch lawbreakers. Or misfits. Or any other 'undesirables'. You recall how the government howled when PGP was released to the public?

Kudos0

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We do digress, "essential liberty" hmm, therein lies the question on whose interpretation of liberty you have and what era I would suggest we are in! Safety would be my first choice, being in a first world country. I firmly believe a civilised country like USA, UK etc., need the ability to access information for our security. These liberal countries must have stronger laws to defend against those countries without a shred of "liberty".

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