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Kudos0

restoring Windows 7

I've read some posts on restoring a Windows 7 system drive, but one thing confused me here; it seemed people were saying to do two separate restores.  Can I not simply boot to the recovery CD, select the desired recovery point, and leave BOTH of these checked: the Win7 partition and the SRP.  In other words, may I thusly restore both at once?

As I read it should be, the SRP is the one on which "Set drive active" is checked.

Oh, and both Win7 partition AND the SRP have "Restore original disk signature" checked; since I'm using the same HDD, should I uncheck this for both?

OS:  I'm a new user of Win7Pro 32-bit sp1.

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Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7

I've read some posts on restoring a Windows 7 system drive, but one thing confused me here; it seemed people were saying to do two separate restores.  Can I not simply boot to the recovery CD, select the desired recovery point, and leave BOTH of these checked: the Win7 partition and the SRP.  In other words, may I thusly restore both at once?

As I read it should be, the SRP is the one on which "Set drive active" is checked.

Oh, and both Win7 partition AND the SRP have "Restore original disk signature" checked; since I'm using the same HDD, should I uncheck this for both?

OS:  I'm a new user of Win7Pro 32-bit sp1.

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7

p.s.  Reading more threads has also made me wonder if (now, unlike with WinXP) I should be checking "Restore master boot record" on both (the Win7.partition and the SRP).

Oops, I forgot to mention I'm using Ghost 15; I'm restoring the whole system drive from the recovery CD.


I should have thought more carefully about the difference in handling a Win7 restore before I tried a restore just to test it.

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Re: restoring Windows 7

Check Brians post here for all the settings you need for the different types of restores.

http://community.norton.com/t5/Other-Norton-Products/Ghost-15-options-for-recovery/m-p/218202/highlight/true#M21280

You'll notice the instructiona are different for restoring to the same hard drive or different hard drive.

If your restoring to the same hard drive you really don't need to do anything with the SRP partition.

If your restoring to a new hard drive, you need to restore both.

The reason we reccomed doing a seperate restore for each partition is that sometimes when you select more than one Ghost gets confused and restored them in the wrong order.  So it's easier for us to reccomend 2 restores than having a user encounter a problem and having to start over.

But some people have no problems.

I personally change the drop down box to "browse" so I can manually select the images.  Then I select the SRP partition, click the "edit" button and set all the right options and the click the "add" button to select the windows partition.  Then when you click the "edit" button again you can verify that they are going to restore in the right order.

I know that sounds confusing reading it but it's easier to understand it if your booted to the recovery disk.

Dave

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7

Thank you very much DaveH and redk9258. This is the best community on the web.

I certainly couldn’t complain about two restores, given that if I understand correctly when restoring to the same HDD I can skip one of the two (the SRP one)!

DaveH's steps do make total sense when I use them inside the recovery CD window. But they do make me wonder again if I understand correctly when restoring to the same HDD I can skip one the SRP.

For the Win7 partition, I see Brian_K wrote:

Restore to the same HD if a SRP is present
For Win7

Verify recovery point before restore

Partition type : Primary

Check for file system errors after recovery 

Forgive me please for wanting to double-check now; please someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe in this case this implies I can leave the following UNCHECKED: "Restore original disk signature" and "Restore master boot record".

Incidentally, my DropDownBox options are to change from Date (to Filename or Sytem). I see if change the DropDownBox to Filename and click the Browse button, I can pick images.  I like that that way I can avoid unchecking the SRP portion of the backup.

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Re: restoring Windows 7


coyote2 wrote:

Forgive me please for wanting to double-check now; please someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe in this case this implies I can leave the following UNCHECKED: "Restore original disk signature" and "Restore master boot record".


That's correct. You don't have to restore either as they are both already present on the HD.

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7


coyote2 wrote:

Incidentally, my DropDownBox options are to change from Date (to Filename or Sytem). I see if change the DropDownBox to Filename and click the Browse button, I can pick images.  I like that that way I can avoid unchecking the SRP portion of the backup.


Im glad you figured out what I was trying to say, I was mistaken when I said I change it to "Browse".
(I was talking on the phone when I was writing that).

I do indeed change it to "Filename" and then use the Browse button.

I think most of us do it that way, it's a much more flexible way and it lets you have more controll and it's easier to make sure everything is set right.

Another reason why I like it is that if you ever make "cold images" from the recovery disk they usually do not show up under "Date" because they usually do not get added into the Ghost history when made outside of windows.

Dave

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7

thank you ALL very much!!

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7

Brian-

Say you have a SRP and a Windows 7 partition, restoring to a new drive.

When I restore the windows 7 partition I always used the option "Restore original disk signature"  thinking that option really was trying to say "Restore original Partition signature"

Is that not the case, or does Ghost by default always restore the partition signature.

Granted you may not notice and the system may boot normally for most systems but for dual boots it really should matter.

Dave

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7

Dave,

My logic is the Disk Signature is in LBA-0 and is already present on the HD so it makes no difference if you restore it or not providing you aren't using a different HD. You have the same Disk Signature either way when you are restoring to the same HD. 

The partition signature is derived from the Disk Signature and the partition's starting sector number and is stored in the Windows Registry. So it will be restored when you restore the image.

http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/partsigs.shtml

If you change the Disk Signature then Windows must recalculate new partition signatures. In WinXP this doesn't effect OS loading but it does with later OS. Vista onwards. A BCD edit is needed. Some imaging apps will do this automatically when an image is restored. I know SSR does but I can't recall if Ghost 15 does.

Kudos0

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Thanks Brian, I think I got it now.

Dual booting XP and 7 I guess I never bother with restoring the signature with XP because it's unnecessary.

Then when I restore the windows 7 partition I always do restore the signature.  I guess the times I had problems not doing it must have been when I was restoring onto another drive and I never thought about it really restoring track 0.  Or rather just changing the 4 bytes of the unique ID.

Thanks

Dave

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7

When I had restored both partitions I always booted fine, but when I just now skipped the SRP restore and restored only the Win7 partition, during each startup I now get:

Windows Boot Manager
Windows 7
Windows Vista/Windows Server 2008/Windows 7

Seconds until the highlighted choice will be selectd automatically:  30<..29..28..etc>

(It does then continue into Windows fine, but...)

Did the restore somehow create a second OS (on this new Win7 clean install on which I didn't think there was more than one OS until I restored only one partition and right away I saw the Boot Manager screen above)?

Googling I see I can disable one OS to avoid this screen, but since it's such a new install I'd like start out with it being as perfect as possible, that is with only one OS.

If it would be cleaner for me to resolve this by resinstalling Windows I wouldn't mind terribly.

Advice would be deeply appreciated, please.

(Wow, I wish I'd started upgrading from XP much longer before it going end-of-life today.)

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7


coyote2 wrote:
Windows Boot Manager
Windows 7
Windows Vista/Windows Server 2008/Windows 7

Seconds until the highlighted choice will be selectd automatically:  30 <..29..28..etc>


p.s.  I just tried a couple more restores.  The first one I didn't select Filename and click Browse for, I just unchecked the SRP.  Result was that I had these three OS'  to choose from when the Boot Manager screen came up:

Windows 7
Windows Vista/Windows Server 2008/Windows 7
Windows Vista/Windows Server 2008/Windows 7

Then I tried my previous-to-this-thread method of simultaneously restoring both partitions in the backup (unchecking neither, and not selecting Filename and clicking Browse).   (I also used the options for each part that this thread so very helpfully has taught me.)

Then as it always did with this method previously, it booted into Win7 perfectly fine without ever showing me a Boot Manager screen.

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7


coyote2 wrote:

Then I tried my previous-to-this-thread method of simultaneously restoring both partitions in the backup (unchecking neither, and not selecting Filename and clicking Browse).   (I also used the options for each part that this thread taught me.)

Then as it always did with this method previously, it booted into Win7 perfectly fine without ever showing me a Boot Manager screen.


p.p.s.  Then I tried restoring both partitions separately using the FilenameDropdown/clicking Browse method (first SRP, then Win7); this time I got Boot Manager with the two options I got initially.

Should I just stick with the method (leaving both checked without clicking Filename/Browse) that I used prior to this thread?  (Since it's the only method that doesn't show me a Boot Manager screen.)

Kudos0

Re: restoring Windows 7

It's just a bug that sometimes happens.

Ghost tries to be helpful and adds another entry into the boot menu.  When your doing a "copy drive" the added entry usually does not even work.

See my post #2 here on how to remove it.

http://community.norton.com/t5/Norton-Ghost/Computer-became-dual-OS-after-use-NG-15-0-restore/m-p/933719/highlight/true#M845

When there is only one entry the boot menu is not shown, when you remove the extra entries it will boot directly into windows like your used to.

Dave

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