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Kudos0

Tomorrow is the end of October

Tomorrow in October 31st 2015 and I'm wondering if anyone has seen an update for the Firefox 41 and Norton Toolbar compatibility problem?

Labels: Firefox 42

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Kudos0

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Kudos0

Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

So maybe by the end of November ;)

I still use Firefox even though its unsupported.
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit / Norton Security v.22.17.x
Kudos0

Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

Would a Guru please list ALL the functions of a fully functional NS Toolbar please.

Is it the Toolbar that BLOCKS you from visiting a known malicious or phising URL ?

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@hok The toolbar blocks malicious/phishing sites as far as I know. It provides the warning message that asks if you want to continue to the site anyway. At least that's my understanding. But Firefox also blocks malicious sites with a slightly different warning page.

Here's a link with the Norton Toolbar features; http://us.norton.com/products/tutorials/features.jsp?pvid=nis2010&tutid=...
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit / Norton Security v.22.17.x
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As SGFC points out, Firefox has its own malicious website and phishing page warnings that will help protect you.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-does-phishing-and-malware-prote...

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hok, it's also worth using Norton's DNS servers which will protect you from malicious sites, as well.

https://dns.norton.com/configurePC.html

Windows 10 Home X 64
Kudos0

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Thanks SGFC, SendOfJive,and as always F4E.

And thanks to Symantec for posting an update about the the toolbar that appears to be vague and either very poorly worded or totally misleading respecting the degree of protection that the first release will offer. Better to issue nothing at all until all the necessary protections are included and keep your mouth shut, instead of spitting out possibly false reassurance like cotton candy.

Can a GURU please give me his/her interpretation of the Official Norton Statement respecting the specific protection features the initial release will include please? Will it block me from visiting a malicious or phising website or will it just tell me I am on one, once I am already on one?

Thanks F4E for the Connect Safe Info and thanks SendOfJive for the FireFox Info., but I bought NS and I want to know exactly what the protection features of the initial version of the NS Toolbar will do ?

Kudos0

Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

Can a GURU please give me his/her interpretation of the Official Norton Statement respecting the specific protection features the initial release will include please?

The second post in this thread from SendOfJive gives a link to a post by employee Athena describing what will be in the initial release.

Things happen. Export/Backup your Norton Password Manager data.
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Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

As described eariler, this update will include the web protection features of the toolbar, which include the site safety ratings when you visit a site (Safe Web) and the site safety annotations on your search results (for Google, Yahoo, Bing and Norton Safe Search).

It's broken up into a two stage release. First being Safe Web which I'm fairly certain is responsible for the malicious/phishing site warnings. (as shown above).

When you click detailed report it takes you to https://safeweb.norton.com/

Screenshot;

The second stage is the identity safe (logins, auto form fill out and password generator).

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit / Norton Security v.22.17.x
Kudos0

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Ok Thanks all. I get it :-)

"Norton Safe Web is a new reputation service from Symantec . Our servers analyze Web sites to see how they will affect you and your computer. Then, using the Norton Toolbar installed on your PC, we let you know how safe a particular Web site might be before you view it. If you need to find out more about how a Web site might behave, we provide more detailed information right here on Norton Safe Web ." (Emphasis Added)

https://safeweb.norton.com/about

Kudos0

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Also you will find the Norton DNS will just block a known malicious site, and you will not be able to access it.

Windows 10 Home X 64
Kudos0

Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

Hello hok

This is Athena's Announcement. It was posted in the Toolbar Forum

Hello Norton customers!

We said before we’d aim to have a new toolbar available for Firefox 41 and newer versions around the end of October 2015 – we are very close!

As described eariler, this update will include the web protection features of the toolbar, which include the site safety ratings when you visit a site (Safe Web) and the site safety annotations on your search results (for Google, Yahoo, Bing and Norton Safe Search).

Some of you might have questions around when we will have support for using your passwords in Identity Safe. Unfortunately, we cannot give you a timeline right now. Once the web protection update is released, our focus will be on delivering password management and the remaining toolbar capabilities.

Stay tuned as we announce the patch when it posts  and for updates on Identity Safe.

Thanks.

Success always occurs in private and failure in full view. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Norton Core Security Plus 22.17.3.50 Core Firmware 282 I E 11 Chrome latest version.
Kudos0

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Hi floplot :-)

Yes, I read it and that is what set me off. It could have been clearer. Instead of saying:

"..this update will include the web protection features of the toolbar, which include the site safety ratings when you visit a site (Safe Web)......"

It would have been clearer and more reassuring if it had said: "before."

".......this update will include the web protection features of the toolbar, which include the site safety ratings when you visit a site, and warns you of the risks of a site you have chosen to visit before NS will allow you to access the site and lets you decide whether or not to proceed to that site. (Safe Web)"

I certainly hope that the entirety of Safe Web as described elsewhere than the announcement, is included in the initial release, e.g., ratings and blocking. I assume it will as Norton's description of Safe Web as it pertains to NS found elsewhere includes both rating and blocking. However Norton also uses the term Safe Web in the context of a method for you to see the rating of a particular website. An official clarification from a Symantec employee seems appropriate. It's too important to be left to speculation based on what I hope is an incomplete and imprecise description.

There actually are plugins that will give you a rating for a site AFTER you are on it. I have done a lot of experimenting with plug-ins so as to be able to use NS before the upcoming release. There are programs that after you are on it flash a banner saying: "This web site has recently been known to include malicious activity. You should scan your PC immediately." These are"legit", though nearly useless, plug-ins that are not trying to sell you some bogus AV program.

It would not have been so difficult to say that the tool bar will block you from visiting a phising website or a website known to have been delivering malicious code." The fact that it did not do so is confusing and disturbing (to me :-) Without blocking the toolbar is worthless and that's why it should have been noted. Site Rating is different from Site Blocking.

Kudos0

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Hi hok:

The comments at the bottom of the support article Norton Safe Web might provide further clarification.  The Site Rating Icons in your Norton Safe Search/Google/Bing/Yahoo search results (similar to icons displayed by the third-party browser extension WOT - Web of Trust) display a coloured icon next to each search result that lets you know if a website is malicious before you visit it, but this doesn't prevent you from clicking on the link and browsing to an unsafe or untested site if you choose to do so.  The Malicious Website / Scam Insight Blocking (which essentially duplicates the malware / phishing protection already built in to Firefox) launches a block page when you visit a malicious site as shown in SGFC's image <here>, and you must click the Continue to site anyway option in the pop-up if you wish to override the block.

The following comments were provided by a Symantec employee in phat monkey's thread Norton 360 Toolbar is Crashing Firefox on Close in response to a question about how protection is affected when the Norton Toolbar is disabled:

"You will still have protection for in-browser attacks/drive-by-downloads and protection for malicious downloads (downloads done in the browser gets scanned and you will have Download Insight protection).

You will not have Norton protection for phishing and certain scam websites - you will have what the browser itself provides; you will not have Safeweb markups that can warn you away from dangerous pages - however you can opt to temporarily use the safesearch.ask.com website - it will supply warning markup on search results for you without the Norton toolbar."
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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox v41.0.2 * NIS (2014) v21.7.0.11 * WOT v20150708

Kudos0

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Thanks imacari :-)

I had read all that stuff.

There is also:  https://safeweb.norton.com/ which is a web reputation service. Though in explaining it further under "About" that article states:"Norton Safe Web is a new reputation service from Symantec . Our servers analyze Web sites to see how they will affect you and your computer. Then, using the Norton Toolbar installed on your PC, we let you know how safe a particular Web site might be before you view it."

It's just the announcement's only using he word "rating" and failure to actually use the word "block" and the wording: ".....and the remaining toolbar capabilities,..." that will come later, that caused my concern. Maybe my reading comprehension needs improving, but I would still like to read a comment by a Symantec Employee that uses the word "block."

It's my hard-wired lawyer's mind that requires precision in wording. I can't help it . LOL The legal devil made me do it. Easy for me to lose sight of the fact that it's only a blog post and not an ambiguous contract clause.

I am also frustrated. You have no idea how anxious I am to get this stoopid Bitdefender IS 2016 (free trial), that requires me to reload every https:/SSL site I visit to be able to see it off my PC and reinstall NS :-) I am a FireFox devotee.

I don't want to mess with my DNS and I'm certain that Symantec and Bitdefender have a larger and more current database than Mozilla.

Kudos0

Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

Hok,

You could always use the link in your post to check websites before you visit them if you want to see their rating.  Of course you won't be blocked going to known malicious sites but if they have the red or orange icon you probably should be wary anyway.

A real-time scan by virustotal can't hurt either  -  https://www.virustotal.com/#url

Just remember that Norton does still scan downloaded files when using Firefox 41.x.

For extra phishing protection you could use  -  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cyscon-phishing-protection/

A little bit of knowledge is... well a little bit of knowledge.
Kudos0

Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

Thanks Krusty

I am using cyscon :-)

Not a big deal - waited this long, can wait a little longer.

I just don't like being confused which I usually am.

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hok:
It's just the announcement's only using he word "rating" and failure to actually use the word "block" and the wording: ".....and the remaining toolbar capabilities,..." that will come later, that caused my concern...

I don't want to mess with my DNS and I'm certain that Symantec and Bitdefender have a larger and more current database than Mozilla.

Hi hok:

I agree that Symantec employees haven't done a very good job of explaining the distinction between Norton Safe Web's site rating icons in search results vs active blocking of malware and phishing sites.  They're clearly shown as three separate features in my NIS v21 settings (Settings | Web | Safe Surfing | Norton Safe Web). 

Symantec employee athena's post Firefox 41 and newer version compatibility - updated info implies that all Norton Safe Web features will be active in the initial release of the redesigned Norton Toolbar.  The Norton Identity Safe password manager is likely the "remaining toolbar capability" that will be released at a later date.

I don't know if Symantec and Bitdefender maintain more comprehensive databases, but I believe that the Google Chrome, Apple Safari and Mozilla Firefox browsers all use the Google Safe Browsing service which maintains three separate blacklists for phishing, malware and unwanted software.  The current Safe Browsing API v3 used by Mozilla is described in detail in the Google Developer's Guide.
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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox v41.0.2 * NIS (2014) v21.7.0.11 * WOT v20150708

Kudos0

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I don't want to mess with my DNS and I'm certain that Symantec and Bitdefender have a larger and more current database than Mozilla.

hok, it's simplicity itself to switch to Norton's DNS servers. I've used them for ages.

Check my previous post. It's a 5 minute job, if that.   https://dns.norton.com/configurePC.html

Windows 10 Home X 64
Kudos0

Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

Toolbar Monster says: "Toolbar Monster want toolbar!"

NB: Cookie Monster also uses NS and Cookie Monster wants toolbar too. Cookies alone no longer satisfy Cookie Monster, especially if they are tracking cookies.

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hok:

It's just the announcement's only using he word "rating" and failure to actually use the word "block" and the wording: ".....and the remaining toolbar capabilities,..." that will come later, that caused my concern.

Hi hok (a.k.a. Toobar Monster ):

Symantec employee Mohan_G has just posted an update in the Product Announcements board titled Firefox 41 and 42 Support for Norton Toolbar regarding the new Norton Toolbar v2015.5.6.76, which states in part:

"The Norton Toolbar is now compatible with Firefox 41 & 42 [Limited functionality]. We have released a Firefox 41 & 42 compatibility patch for Norton Security 22.5.4.24, Norton Security with Backup 22.5.4.24, Norton Internet Security, Norton 360, Norton Antivirus 22.5.4.24 & Norton Security Suite 22.5.4.24 which is available via Live Update....

1) This patch will enable the Web-Protection functionalities of the Norton Toolbar such as:

  • Safe Web
  • Anti-Phishing
  • Safe Search"

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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox v41.0.2 * NIS (2014) v21.7.0.11 * WOT v20150708

Kudos0

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Thanks for the information. I received the Norton update today and just received the Firefox 42 update. All working good at this time. Thank You Symantec for the update.     Windows 10  64 bit.

Kudos0

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lmacri:
hok:

It's just the announcement's only using he word "rating" and failure to actually use the word "block" and the wording: ".....and the remaining toolbar capabilities,..." that will come later, that caused my concern.

Hi hok (a.k.a. Toobar Monster ):

Symantec employee Mohan_G has just posted an update in the Product Announcements board titled Firefox 41 and 42 Support for Norton Toolbar regarding the new Norton Toolbar v2015.5.6.76, which states in part:

"The Norton Toolbar is now compatible with Firefox 41 & 42 [Limited functionality]. We have released a Firefox 41 & 42 compatibility patch for Norton Security 22.5.4.24, Norton Security with Backup 22.5.4.24, Norton Internet Security, Norton 360, Norton Antivirus 22.5.4.24 & Norton Security Suite 22.5.4.24 which is available via Live Update....

1) This patch will enable the Web-Protection functionalities of the Norton Toolbar such as:

  • Safe Web
  • Anti-Phishing
  • Safe Search"

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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox v41.0.2 * NIS (2014) v21.7.0.11 * WOT v20150708

 :-))))))))))))))))

Kudos0

Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

Thanks for nothing.

Wheres my damn toolbar???????????????????????????

Kudos0

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GDI

Kudos0

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Kudos0

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Is the patch available now or is Symantec rolling it out?????????????????

Kudos0

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Yes I am using the latest version of NS. So where's my damn Toolbar??????????????????????????????

Kudos0

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This post may help but there still isn't a working vault.

https://community.norton.com/en/comment/6746321#comment-6746321

A little bit of knowledge is... well a little bit of knowledge.
Kudos0

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Krusty13:

This post may help but there still isn't a working vault.

https://community.norton.com/en/comment/6746321#comment-6746321

No Help Krusty.

Not Using Private Browsing

Not using tracking protection.

Total Waste of time-Uninstall a program that protects me-reinstall a program that doesn't (NS)-Uninstall NS-Reinstall Bitdefender that protects me.

What's the matter with these people???????????????????

It's a blessing for humanity that Symantec doesn't have a division that makes condoms.

Kudos0

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I have rebooted and done live update 7 times. I have done a fresh clean install of FF 42 and still looking for my toolbar.

Kudos0

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Nobody is perfect.

Somewhere in a Galaxy Far Far Away In a Parallel Universe Odds Are There is a Working NS Toolbar for FF42.

Kudos0

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Hok,

I don't have the toolbar in Firefox either, although the extensions shows it is enabled.  I do see the SafeWeb annotations in Google search results and do get a full page block at the  -  http://www.amtso.org/check-desktop-phishing-page/ -  so for me at least, part of the toolbar functions.

A little bit of knowledge is... well a little bit of knowledge.
Kudos0

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This is all I see on FF 40.0.3. I had to allow the installation of the toolbar in the 'Not Verified' page that came up after I applied the patch. No more ID Safe, even though I had held back the FF updates.

 

Things happen. Export/Backup your Norton Password Manager data.
Kudos0

Re: Tomorrow is the end of October

Users who have the NoScript Security Suite v2.6.9.39 extension installed in their Firefox browser might want to follow Snowman1's thread Problem with Norton Identity Safe 2015.5.6.76 regarding a possible conflict with the new Norton Toolbar.
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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox v41.0.2 * NIS (2014) v21.7.0.11 * WOT v20150708

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A little bit of knowledge is... well a little bit of knowledge.

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