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Kudos0

Tune up warning

Hi all,

My laptop's only used intermittently, so I generally have to spend a little time when I do use it getting updates, etc.  One of the actions suggested by Norton is a "Tune up", which appears to include a defrag.

This is fine, except that I recently changed the hard drive on the laptop for a solid state device.  According to the makers (Kingston), defrag should not be used on this type of drive.  This being the case, should there be a warning on the Tune up screen to warn against carrying it out on SSDs?

Thanks,

Ian

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Kudos0

Re: Tune up warning

hi Iancol

It is my understanding that all reputable Defrag programs will recognise that you have a Solid State hard drive and will not try to defrag the drive. I see no reason for Norton to be any different in this.

Michael

Kudos0

Re: Tune up warning

Thank you Michael,

I have "Smart Defrag" on Utilities unset and when I go for a manual defrag I get the warning, supporting your comment.  However, last night, when I did the "Tune up", it took ages and the only report I got at the end was about % defragmentation.  So, if it wasn't defragmenting, what was it doing?

Thanks,

Ian

Edit - I checked the screen recording the last operation, which was only for optimisation.  Here's a screen cap of it.

Kudos0

Re: Tune up warning

hi Iancol

I've had a look at your screenshot.

I use Norton Internet Security on my Surface Pro which runs Windows 8.1 with a SSD so it is not quite the same situation although I do use Norton 360 on my laptops with a normal drive however, the wording used is the same as the Windows "defrag" utility where it uses Optimisation rather than defrag. I do not know for certain if this is just wording used by Norton or if 360 recognises that you have a SSD and runs an optimisation rather than a defrag.

I seems that Norton realises it is a SSD and will carry out a similar operation to the Windows optimisation although, the use of words is a little confusing as Norton seems to use Optimisation rather than defrag in most circumstances although it does then say that Disk Optimisation on a SSD will only defrag in Windows 8. However, this would perhaps support the idea that Norton will Optimise the SSD in a similar way to Windows itself.

It is my opinion that a defrag on a modern system at least from Windows 7 does not really produce any great benefit as it did in the days of Windows XP and is really not worth doing although, I do use the Windows optimisation if it has not been automatically carried out by Windows on my SSD.

Michael

Kudos0

Re: Tune up warning

Thanks Michael,

In view of the ucertainty, I htink I'll ignore "Tune up" when it arises and use NU instead.

Thanks,

Ian

Kudos0

Re: Tune up warning

hi Ian

I think you are probably wise.

Michael

Kudos1 Stats

Re: Tune up warning

Or don't worry about fragmentation and disable defragmentation utilities wherever you find them, including in Windows itself .....

According to a retired hard drive designer the modern design of hard drives with large caches, different approaches to disk layout and head movement and the fact that the design of the NTFS file system actually breaks files up into fragments to store them on the drive makes "defragmentation" of little value .....

Hugh
Kudos0

Re: Tune up warning

Thanks, Huw.  That's my policy.  This thread was started because Norton doesn't make it clear that the "Tune up" function includes a defrag.

Ian

Kudos0

Re: Tune up warning

Not using N360 and avoiding any tune up utility like the plague I don't know what it says about it but I suspect it does say somewhere what it is supposed to do.

If there's a setting in N360 to disable TuneUp completely I would do that and do any cleaning up of temp files either by letting Windows do it from time to time in the background or by running Windows' Disk Clean or by using a utility like CCleaner that shows you exactly what it would do and lets you change it in detail or just not doing it at all .....

Hugh
Kudos0

Re: Tune up warning

It is TRUE, you are not suppose to defrag a SSD, however there is software out there that can keep it optimized. An SSD HD is nothing more than ram. I use a software that is distributed through Raxco.com and you can purchase it. They do have a 30 day trial. However, my suggestion is allow windows to deal with it. Windows will not defrag it but the operation system will optimize it though. I would disable the Norton Tune or Defrag to where it does not run. You have a few options. However, if you do go with Raxco it will move your boot files to the front of the disk. This will help with a faster boot up. Whereas, other defrags always puts the boot files at the end of the hard drive. So, good luck with that. I hope this information helps.

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