Symantec has business relationship with NRA

Just found out that Symantec has business relationships with NRA. Although I have been using their product for many years, I will consider an alternative internet security product as my subscription expires.

 https://thinkprogress.org/corporations-nra-f0d8074f2ca7/

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So... Frank V, you support having a gun for personal protection. But.... “only if each person is screened to ensure they have the mental and psychological makeup to ensure gun safety”. And gun proficiency. May I ask who would conduct the nationwide screening on millions of CURRENT gun owners? And anyone wanting to make a purchase? Would criminals and bad guys be included in this screening? Or just those who want to remain “law-abiding” citizens? NRA has some great instructor courses (depending on the “instructor”) where one can become “certified” to teach gun safety and proficiency. Is there a program out there where one can get certified to teach and evaluate “mental and psychological makeup to ensure gun safety”? Would one be required to pass a gun handling and “mental makeup to ensure gun safety” themselves before becoming certified to evaluate and certify the mental makeup of others? Will there be a standardized test of sorts to evaluate one’s mental makeup or would it be a subjective evaluation? Would it be a test of one’s current mental makeup, at that point in time? Or would it take into account future changes in one’s like that may affect one’s mental makeup? Regardless of how this screening is done, I’m sure whoever is conducting the screening would be totally unaffected by their political and personal feelings and beliefs on gun rights. So no problem there.

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Morgan Riley:

By the way, I wanted to go into the Air Force after graduating from high school but I flunked the physical with a minor heart condition. Viet Nam had not gotten started yet and they really didn't need many kids. 

Morgan,

Seems that your heart is in the right place.  Of course, serving in the military is not the only way to serve one's country. 

Sounds like you have been a good and active citizen -- which our democracy needs.

Best wishes,

-Frank

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Symantec now has just 21 days to make a public statement reversing their anti-NRA policy before I switch to McAfee.

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I've been a supporter of everything Norton since UnErase (1983) and count Peter Norton among my circle of friends. In the late 80's Peter came into one of our computer software stores just to watch folks shop. We've purchased almost every product associated with his name, and our businesses have auto-renewed every year since that option became available. Yesterday we had Norton Mobile, Identity Safe, Safe Search, Norton Clean, VPN, and App Lock on each of our mobile devices, and Norton Security w/backup on each of our PC's. Regrettably, that long term relationship must come to an end.

Recent uncharacteristically political decisions by Symantec/LifeLock management have effectively driven a wedge between their previously apolitical security company and the NRA; stalwart defender of the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the fundamental rights and responsibilities it codifies. I find myself compelled to take a stand either for Symantec, or for our 2nd amendment. Therefore, tomorrow (Monday, March 5th, 2018) we will be cancelling our auto-renewals and removing all Symantec products from our computers and mobile devices, not as an act of retribution against Symantec but in support of all our constitutionally protected freedoms. We will also be selling off a majority of our SYMC shares, which were purchased for $1 a share in 1990 shortly after it was announced that Peter had sold his company to Symantec.

While Symantec has protected our computers from the occasional online threat (for which we remain grateful), the 2nd amendment (and it's most active defender, the NRA) guarantees to us all the pre-existing fundamental right to defend ourselves, our families, and our friends with sufficient force, wherever we may be within this great country.

Those 14 defenseless and unprotected students in Parkwood were murdered by a (previously identified) disturbed and violent man (in a gun-free zone no less), while several well armed police officers (fully capable of defending themselves and others) sat idly by just a few yards away, yet some folks see only the tools. If it weren't for the progressive policies of the left, which not only prevented him from getting much needed help, but also interfered with NICS notification of his well documented mental deficiency, this individual would have been prevented from legally purchasing those same tools.

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I have been using Norton products since pc DOS days and I am not a member of the NRA.  I just renewed my subscription in November 2017 but I am cancelling my subscription effective immediately because of Norton's action to politicize the deaths of innocents in Florida.  I am sick of listening to uninformed talking heads appeal to emotions rather than reason while demonizing law-abiding citizens for a political agenda.  Mass shootings will not end until the real cause is identified and stopped - the proliferation of psychiatric drugs in modern society.  Everyone my age remembers when we freely played cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, GI Joe, chasing and shooting each other all day long with toy guns.  When a dispute arose, no one would have dreamed of running home and taking the unlocked readily available firearm to shoot others.  Now, anti-depressants and stimulants are prescribed to every Tom, Dick and Harriet when they can't deal with the consequences of their choices.  Every one of the shooters you wish to talk about was on mood altering drugs when they slaughtered innocents.  The medical profession and the pharmaceutical companies are responsible for this horrific behavior (and of course the lawmakers who have become addicted to the billions of dollars from the pharmaceutical companies which allows them to continue to slop at the public trough). 

I will re-consider my loyalty to Norton when they apologize for getting involved in an emotional political campaign aimed at disarming law-abiding citizens. 

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yes, frank drinks the "koolaid"... agreed.

common sence is a learned attribute frank, stop believing everything you read..

see what happens when the gov trys to take our 2nd A. , our guns, our freedoms away, from law abiding citizens that is, youll see millions upon millions of my fellow AMERICANs...  STAND.

if im not mistaken, the military cant be used against citizens anyway, theyd be on the citizens side in that event and most would deny an order such as that even if the liberals pushed it thru.... period.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/downloads

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AMENDMENT [II.]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of

a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall

not be infringed.

AMENDMENT [III.]

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house,

without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a

manner to be prescribed by law.

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I renewed in November 2017 and have just shut off auto-renewal and installed BitDefender which is rated highly.  I have no doubt that I will be very happy with BitDefender unless they too are ignorant enough to enter a political discussion by picking sides. 

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And, the dumpster fire continues... {:-s

The problem is, you can switch antivirus programs, however, it's like biting your nose to spite your face.  I've been around computers since the days of IBM 386 and can report that every system i attempted to run something else, especially McAfee, always came down with viruses that Symantec would have to clean up. 

And, for what it's worth, the name-calling really has to stop.  I feel as though it demeans the professionalism of this forum.  If it continues, i'm recommending that administration: @Mohan_G, @Sunil_GA, @Gayathri_R LOCK this thread. 

Sincerely,

H.B. 

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True.

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H.B. its a shame you have to resort to idle threats against open discussion. Symantec choice to attack a segment of its customer base and the customer determined that anti-virus is nothing but a commodity positioned product   I've used computers since the Zenith 8088 Z-Dos machine. Long before viruses were invented.

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And I would highly recommend against locking this thread. As I said earlier, most posters have been respectful. Symantec has been courageous in allowing all views to be expressed and should continue to allow open discussion. A few bad apples shouldn't shut down the entire discussion. That is the very logic that caused Symantec to withdraw from the NRA in the first place. At least they aren't doubling down by shutting us up.

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"There is no danger that Trump will win.

Really... he has no chance.

So just keep calm and carry on.

Your Pal,"

Er, 306 to 232.

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Symantec now has just 21 days to make a public statement reversing their anti-NRA policy before I switch to McAfee.

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Sonoma234 explains,

"it's a shame you have to resort to idle threats against open discussion. Symantec chose to attack a segment of its customer base..." 

Hello Sonoma234,

How are you?

It wouldn't be so bad if every time i log in i didn't witness the conversation devolving and people hurling insults at one another - - i'm pretty sure that contravenes the code of conduct of Symantec's forums i.e., "the user agrees not to post anything harassing, verbally abusive, profane..." and the list goes on.  I also feel that this is primarily a technological forum.  If you want to discuss the politics of the decision, there are plenty of places to facilitate that such as a billoreilly.com or glennbeck.com which, oddly enough, would probably attract more attention to the issue and bring about the change you seek with the leveraging power of someone as big as Bill in the news. 

That said, i can understand that you will vote with your wallet on this as it seems that Symantec has succumbed to a knee-jerk reaction.  At the same time, for me, i really just want to leave politics out of this even though the trajectories have seemingly crossed.  As far as i can see, for the most part, my Norton 360 program thwarts malicious intrusion attempt after malicious intrusion attempt (in my testing) and i do not want to mess with a good formula of protection for my pc. 

Hoping that this post added some more insight and finds you well,

Sincerely,

H.B.       

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