Multiple issues after installing the built in Miner.
I can no longer use Grammly, if there is a spelling mistake i can no longer click the correct word.
Fortnite Crashes
Paused the Miner and it crashed my PC and caused a blue screen
When I get disconnected from the internet while the miner is running I get spammed with the attached error which won't go away, have to restart pc for it to stop popping up.
Norton Crypto was announced back at the beginning of June last year:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210602005361/en/NortonLifeLock-Unveils-Norton-Crypto
I suspect it is the same program in a new interface.
Avira is adding a crypto miner to its products as well
Avira was recently taken over by Norton. Avast / AVG too.
Avira is adding a crypto miner to its products as well - Jan 10, 2022
https://www.ghacks.net/2022/01/10/avira-is-adding-a-crypto-miner-to-its-products-as-well/
What ever it is Opt-In or not, for now it is still part of the security suite, correct?
If anything, make it a standalone app instead.
Also, mining crypto is not the best business with 25% local taxes, high electricity prices and then on top 15% to Norton.
Didn't use anything from Symantec for quite some years now neither do I mine, but still wondering which genius that thought it was a good idea with the current crypto mining implementation in Norton.
Guess a borked products stays borked.
I`m out Sub due in three days. Just ordered Kap, Did not want to, but forced due to this. I opted out completely.
Suggest all Norton users to do the same, including miners, they take 15% for nothing. Scam on top of scam. Shame on you Norton. will tell everyone to avoid whenever subject comes up. Norton-installs programs NOTHING to do with security on your PC without consent or notification. more a malware program now. Will be my response.
I love the new onboard miner.
Ever since learning of its existence on my computer, I've been happier, healthier, and walking taller daily.
Who woulda thunk?
Cheers to Norton for giving us a Happy New Year gift.
It doesn't matter if it's opt-in or not. The fact is that they put this program on my computer without my knowledge and consent. If I wanted this program, I would have looked for it and installed it myself. As I said earlier, I bought a security program and wanted to install just that. This is nothing more than another ploy to make more money off us. They violated my trust. Opt-in or Opt-out, I don't care. This program has nothing to do with security.
Peter, the Norton EULA is available here. Others should read it as it explicitly states what you are saying.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj5xLmfnaX1AhXNMd8KHV4YB6kQFnoECAUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nortonlifelock.com%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fnortonlifelock%2Fpdfs%2Feulas%2Flicensing-agreement%2Fnav-nis-n360-21.0-eula-en.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2F8ru4SoErS2AFBdkmB0NW
https://www.nortonlifelock.com/us/en/legal/repository/
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Thanks for sharing BJM.
They confirm that -
"Running the Norton Crypto mining software on your personal computer will cause your computer to consume a significant amount of electricity, which will increase your electric utility costs. Continued use of your computer for crypto-mining may cause computer parts, particularly mechanical parts (like cooling fans) to wear out faster and require more frequent maintenance. It is possible to spend more money on electricity and computer hardware than you earn in cryptocurrency mining."
Increase CO2 emissions and burn up your computer more quickly - how very eco-friendly! I wonder if Norton's CSR person is aware of this ?!
I was shocked to find that Norton has now decided to include “Norton Crypto” as part of the Norton 360 product suite. I have been a Norton customer for decades! I have come to trust Norton. However, this single action has cast considerable doubt on my trust of Norton! I feel betrayed that Norton would include any blockchain currency (so-called “cryptocurrency”) system as part of a security suite. Offer it as a separate product but not as part of a security anti-virus/firewall product. I can see including cloud backup, so-called “dark-web” monitoring, and most of the other things on offer with Norton 360. But, a “crypto-miner?” No! That’s not okay!
I can see that NCrypt.exe is installed on my computer, and no I have not opted-in. It should not even be installed on my computer without my express consent! Please, don’t give me the b.s. line about well it won’t do anything unless you opt-in. Again, it should not even be installed with out my express consent!!! PeterWeb, whoever you are (guru & mobile master), you seem to just not get it. Your condescending and arrogant position that we’re too stupid to understand and it’s all okay, just choose not to opt-in, misses the point. Norton should not be installing such a product without the express consent of paying customers!!! For me to even take the time to make these comments ought to tell you something. Again, I’m a longtime Norton customer. I’m also well educated in computing and cyber-security, I do know a thing or two (or more) about all the variations and ramifications that this entails. I’ve been at this a long time, likely before you were even born. (True if you were born after 1980.) I thought I could trust Norton. I am now re-thinking that trust. If Norton is making lousy decisions like this then what other poor decisions are they making with their security related products?
I know that Norton and Symantec are somewhat connected and yet not the same. I don’t know the inner-workings and details of how Symantec, Norton and LifeLock all fit together. I can say that the Symantec brand is well respected, hell Symantec security folks did major leg-work on unraveling Stuxnet. That’s a major accomplishment and brings major credibility to the game. The simple fact that Norton has chosen to go this route with Norton Crypto drags down the good name of Norton, and to the extent they are connected it also drags down Symantec and LifeLock.
Just an FYI, not to persuade anyone in any way. I could really care less since I have no financial stake in the game, I'm just a Norton customer too. I do agree that the crypto miner should probably be a standalone product or at the least when the 'Opt-in' is there, only upon an opt-in will the app be downloadable. Also reasonable points on potential security concerns, any software has that issue as we all know. The Norton app is very limited, so some of the people's concerns are overblown. All that can be done in the mining app is to turn it on/off (or pause it), view your Norton wallet of ETH mined, and to transfer it to a Coinbase account. There is no way to do any trading or gambling in the app, of any sort. To transfer any mined ETH coin you have to have an existing Coinbase account which is totally separate entity from Norton miner. From the Coinbase account you can buy and trade many types of crytpo coins; not from the Norton app. If you think crypto mining is solely a hacker tool like I did before researching, look it up. It is correct though that crypto coins and mining are a gamble; just like day trading on the stock markets, or playing in a casino. By all means, anyone correct me on anything above, its only my limited understanding of crypto coin/mining as a whole.
500M Avira Antivirus Users Introduced to Cryptomining - January 8, 2022
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/01/500m-avira-antivirus-users-introduced-to-cryptomining/
No Matt_Boucher, it's not an opt-in choice to have this software installed on the PC, it's part of the suite. It's an opt-in only to activate it. The mining code is still sitting there regardless.
my colleague Sean Hollister installed a copy of Norton 360 for himself and did indeed find that the mining app NCrypt.exe was included in the program’s directory.
As far as I am concerned it's a PUP, even potential malware - it may have exploits and may be hackable and used against the user. If offered as a product, it should be a totally separate program and only downloaded by an explicit choice by the user.
If a security company doesn't understand such a fundamental issue, they don't deserve to be considered as a security company in my opinion.
Crypto mining is considered gambling by most people. Or do you consider it trading? Whatever, I hope your lawyers did their research on this and got the relevant permissions to market and supply such a category of product - and not just in the US but worldwide. I guess that some strict religious country governments could be quite upset when they discover what's been provided to their citizens by Norton. And I wonder how many kids are gambling / trading using this software?
That could all be a potential liability for Norton. Good luck.
Peter,
You surely know the difference between making a VPN available, to enhance security, and building crypto-mining into security software. It's a financial / gambling product, zero to do with security.
Yes indeed. And I wonder else what Norton may have been doing without our knowledge or explicit acceptance.
I've got no problem if Norton were to have a subsidiary company which develops non-security software and they develop the mining product, advertise it and make it available for people to explicitly choose to download it, install and use it. But adding such a program / code within a security product is beyond the pale. They've lost all credibility and trust as far as I am concerned.
100% It is an opt-in feature!
I feel the miner feature is great and well thought out.
#1 There a lot of people who have good hardware and not using it to the max.
#2 There are people who wants to mine and are always turning off Norton to do so, which open them to attack.
On the Verge article… I think it is more click bait.
#1 Clearly Norton ask to opt-in to enable it.
#2 If the person has their PC turned on already doing some word processing or spreadsheet then they can use their system idle resources to get some money back.
#3 Norton Miner is clearly a common Joe/Jane tool, not a miner tool. It allows them to contribute to the future.
If something, I would like Norton to be free if they are taking 15% of the cut.
i wonder how many times I have to write that this is an OPT-IN feature. @JONin92656, this is why can't beleive everything you read. There are things that have been written that are just not fact unfortunately.
This article while shares opinions that I don't agree with at least has the facts correct:
https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/7/22869528/norton-crypto-miner-security-software-reaction
