Cloning Procedure Advice Please

[DaveH]

I'm able to reproduce it in virtual pc.

I added back all the other drivers and it works in both VPC and booting from grub.  I can access the root of the CD from either system.

 

However, I get a nasty beep in VPC as it trys to load eltorito.sys, but then it continues and loads oakcdrom.sys and works fine.  I tried listing eltorito after oakcdrom but I still get a beep.

But I'm not sure if a real system would beep, I don't think it's from the BIOS and I don't think a real system will have sound at that point.

 

Booting it with grub I get no beep, but I quickly see the screen saying it's trying to load oakcdrom and then a message "aborting" then it quickly loads eltorito.sys and everything works fine.

 

I used to see that quick message when booting DOS with a SCSI CD-Rom.  It would reject the first couple drivers until it got to the right aspi driver, so I don't think thats an issue in any way.

 

If you try it, let me know if you get a beep on a real system booting the CD the normal way.

Dave

[Brian_K]

Dave,

 

I'm not using oakcdrom.

 

I do get a beep as the CD is loading and this works with a CD and with grub4DOS.

 

autoexec.bat

 

@echo off
path=A:\;R:\
ctmouse
MSCDEX /D:oemcd001 /D:banana /L:R

 

 

 

config.sys

DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS /testmem:off
DEVICE=eltorito.sys /D:oemcd001
DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana
FILES=30
BUFFERS=20
LASTDRIVE=Z

[DStain]

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Brian said,

 

Deric, 

Do you have ctmouse working with Dave's method and the ISO method?

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Brian,

I may have misunderstood which of Dave's methods you were referring to,

what message number was it, let me know and I will have a go at it, The flash drive works ok in DOS but I am still getting Error 13 in MS-DOS I can't make it work yet.

 

Deric.

[Brian_K]

Dave's method is

 

title Boot to DOS
root (hd0,0)
chainloader (hd0,0)/io.sys

 

 

The ISO method is

 

title MS-DOS from Win98SE boot disk
map --mem (hd0,0)/msDOS.iso (hd32)
map --hook
chainloader (hd32)
boot

[DStain]

Brian,

That is the instruction I have in my menu.lst

The ISO method is the one I can't get to work.The two lines in autoexec.bat look like this:-

path=A:\;C:\
ctmouse.exe

I don't know whether I have extracted ctmouse.exe properly.

 

Deric.

[DaveH]

The beep annoyed me so I just added another menu option.   I already had choices for CD-Rom driver and No driver, so I made one for using Grub and will make that the default selection with 3 seconds for my flash drive.

 

The banana name brings back old DOS memories, I had forgotten about that.

But I'm allergic to bananas and bananas bring very bad luck to fishing here.

I think I'll go with a selection of avocado and tomato.

 

 

[Brian_K]

I've been on boats where fishermen have thrown the cook's bananas overboard.

[Brian_K]

Deric,

 

What is the ctmouse error? You see this just above the A:\> prompt when you boot the ISO in grub4DOS..

 

I assume you can see ctmouse on the floppy that you used to make the ISO.

[Brian_K]

Dave, I don't have a SATA CD drive but I gather GCDROM.SYS is the driver needed if you want to see your CD data drive from DOS.

[DaveH]

I don't have a SATA CD-Rom either but I have seen that driver around here somewhere.  I think it's a Symantec file and I got it in either a boot disk or one of the programs I have.

Hopefully it won't give me more beeps.

 

I guess we could always expand the image to 2.8MB and load a lot of drivers or have menu selections for different systems.

 

I can turn USB1 into USB2 by loading this driver:

DEVICE = \DOS\aspiehci.sys /int /all

However, if you can't access the USB device at all in the first place you need to first load the driver and then run a Iomega free tool called Guest.exe to give the now availible drive a letter.

 

Dave

 

[DStain]

Brian,

 

Reading back through the posts if you read message ( 70 ) I don't think I did that because I got Dave's method working and the error 13: I get is in message ( 75 ). Does that make any sense to you, do I need your code in ( 70 ) to go with the MS-DOS instruction?.

I will see if it works and get back to you,

ctmouse.exe size on my floppy is 5.69 kb is that about right?

 

Deric

[DStain]

Brian,

 

I followed your instructions in message 70 and I still get the same error13: "invalid or unsupported executable format"

I don't get an A:\> prompt at all just the error 13: and it lists the instruction in menu.lst (MS-DOS).

 

Deric.

[DStain]

Brian,

 

I opened ctmouse.exe and this is what I get see pic.

 

Deric.

[DaveH]

Deric,

Make your changes on you floppy disk, adding ctmouse.exe and changing the autoexec.bat file.

 

Then test the floppy and make sure it boots and the mouse works.

Once you know it works, download and install ImgBurn from here:

http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download

 

 

Start ImgBurn and select "create image file from files and folders"

 

Aye Aye Captain!

 

Then on the next screen select "advanced" and then "bootable disk"

 

 

On the bottom section make sure your floppy drive is selected and then click the little picture of a floppy disk.

On the next screen select a name and location for your floppy disk image.

Then on the left side, click the green arrow.

 

It should read the entire floppy disk and turn it into an image file.

 

I'll make another post showing how to make that into a ISO.

 

 

 

[DaveH]

OK, now you have a working floppy image from the steps above.

 

Make a folder on your desktop called "CD".

That will be the contents of your CD, put Ghost.exe and anything else you want to add inside the folder.

 

Then open Imgburn again and go to the same place you were before : "create image file from files and folders"

 

 

This time select "Make Image Bootable"

Select "Floppy Disk 1.44MB

For "boot image" browse to the location and select the floppy disk image you made above.

 

On the top left click the little folder icon and browse to your "CD" folder.

 

Under "destination" browse to your desktop and make a name for your ISO.

 

Then click the green arrow

 

 

 

ImgBurn will ask you if you want the folder on the CD or just the contents of the folder.

We want just the contents so select "yes"

 

 

being a very nice program it fills in the missing label for me.

 

When it's done, I have a bootable ISO that works fine.

 

Now you can save that floppy disk image and make DOS bootable CD's whenever you want.

 

Also notice on the first screen of ImgBurn you can "Create an image file from disk"

You can use that option to make an ISO out of your Ghost 12 CD.

 

Dave

[DStain]

Dave,

Thanks for the info and instructions, created the cd ok added ctmouse.exe,format, fsdisk and changed the autoexec.bat, the cd booted ok but the mouse wouldn't work.

I have spent hours at it trying various ways to make the mouse work in ghost.exe when booting into MS-DOS.

Your method still works ok (DOS) I can't be using the correct ctmouse.exe file, I am nearly ready to chuck the towel in.

The flash drive will work ok in ghost with your method but not with Brian's method and I think it is down to this ctmouse.exe file it is only 6kb.

 

Deric.

[DaveH]

I never tried ctmouse.   I'll try it later this evening.

Besides, it's good practice for you and keeps you off the cheep wine a little longer

[DStain]

Dave,

I agree with you about the cheap stuff, I need something stronger, what do you call it "Moon Shine".

 

I decided to start again and produce another flash drive following your instructions from Post 3 (message 22) all through to post 7 (message 69) and it worked a treat, adding fdisk and format.

 

Brian then came in at message 70 and I followed all instructions including the instructions for the menu.lst and from there that is where I get the error 13: in MS-DOS (Win 98 files)  

See pic. I haven't gone any further with it till you see this post, Brian did provide another step or two, this is the stage where things start to go wrong.

 

Deric.

[DaveH]

Deric, check your PM.

 

I made you a basic floppy image using Brians autoexec and config.sys files and added ctmouse.

 

It's just a floppy disk image, all it does is boot DOS and load the eltorito driver so Grub can access the rest of the CD.

 

Build yourself an ISO using the steps I mentioned above.  Make the CD folder and add to it, ghost.exe, fdisk, format, and anything else you want on the CD.

 

Then build the iSO and name it msDOS.iso and replace the one on your flash drive with it and see if it works.

Dave

[DStain]

Dave,

 

Followed your instructions and built the iso and it works ok, boots into DOS and opens ghost.exe with the mouse working.

I take it that this is a test to make sure that ctmouse works, the blue screen menu is,

1. Start  ghost 15

2. Start ghost 12

3. Boot to DOS

4. Reboot

5  MS-DOS from Win98SE boot disk.

 

Results from the menu as follows:-

 

1. Ghost 15  error15: File not found   ( this is on the flash drive)

2. Ghost 12 error 15: File not found   ( this is not on the flash drive)

3. Boot to DOS  -  Loads ghost.exe and the mouse is working

4. Reboot  -  works ok

5. MS-DOS from Win 98SE boot disk  -  fails and the lines are as follows on the black screen:-

 

Booting MS-DOS from WIN98SE boot disk

load segment: 0 x 0 - System Type: 0 x 0 - Sector count:: 0 x 1

load RBA: 0 x 102 - boot type:2 = 1.44 mb floppy

remove disks or other media

press any key to restart

 

It won't restart and I had to force it, even (Cont- Alt- Del) wouldn't restart it.

 

 

Deric