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yank wrote: LOL Quads - hope you don't hurt your head!
I hope he doesn't either :).
I just completed a read over at the MBAM forum that's interesting about the subject of NIS (& 360) and MBAM Pro compatibility issues.
MBAM Forum NIS& MBAM Compatibility Issues
If anyone here hasn't read it, it may be worth a read to get another perspective about this since they work with Norton to resolve issues of this nature.
I captured some quotes from the Admin's in the thread that caught my attention about the subject (attached) .
This is in no way an attempt to be difficult here :). This forum's a great place for info and help. As I posted previously, I'm on my own, sort of an experiment to see how it goes for the 1st year of running 360 and MBAM Pro alongside each other.
So far, no issues have arised with my 2 PC's, ie, no symptoms of conflicting scanners, no detectable intrusions have been encountered as yet.
Hi Scoops8 - a bit of background in case some users are not aware of what you have referenced. Your link is about the a situation that occurred back in April where Norton would say MBAM Free was not compatible with Norton products. That occurred after there had been no report of incompatibility with MBAM Free for quite a long time. The reference had really nothing to do with MBAM Pro - which runs in real time.
IMHO you are mixing apples and oranges - ie unfounded references fo complaints from Norton about MBAM Free and the actual possible conflict with MBAM Pro.
yank wrote:Hi Scoops8 - a bit of background in case some users are not aware of what you have referenced. Your link is about the a situation that occurred back in April where Norton would say MBAM Free was not compatible with Norton products. That occurred after there had been no report of incompatibility with MBAM Free for quite a long time. The reference had really nothing to do with MBAM Pro - which runs in real time.
IMHO you are mixing apples and oranges - ie unfounded references fo complaints from Norton about MBAM Free and the actual possible conflict with MBAM Pro.
Yank,
Thanks for the info on this.
I have read the entire thread though and they're referring to both, Pro users and Free MBAM.
You're right about the April issue that you referred to but I was also interested in reading MBAM's thoughts about running their Pro tool alongside Norton tools.
They state in the thread (their position on the subject) MBAM Pro should be compatible with the AV suites such as Norton, Kaspersky, etc. They state that MBAM is designed to compliment their Pro scanner with AV's.
I'm not choosing sides here :), just interested in the subject and also interested in observing verifiable instances where Norton users have encountered known conflict issues where it's been proven that an intrusion affected one's PC due to the 2 real-time scanner tools conflicting with one another.
Also, I'm interested in reading Norton user's feedback of PC's freezing up or displaying other issues related to MBAM Pro's simultaneous scanner alongside Norton's products.
One MBAM member mentioned in the thread that he's been running the 2 scanners (wirh NIS) in tandem for a couple of years with no issues. I'm interesting in reading the other point of view with instances of conflicting issues.
Scoop,
Thanks for the extracts ....
If we believe MBAM then we must also believe that users are wrong to blame Norton apart from normal short term until fixed conflicts that must occur everywhere, like the one they mention.
huwyngr wrote:Scoop,
Thanks for the extracts ....
If we believe MBAM then we must also believe that users are wrong to blame Norton apart from normal short term until fixed conflicts that must occur everywhere, like the one they mention.
Hugh,
Thanks for the input.
That's a good point. At this juncture, I'm trying to learn the validity of the conflicting (no pun intended :d) point of views about MBAM's (Pro version) compatibility with Norton AV and for that matter, the other major players (MacAfee, Kaspersky, etc).
This is why I'm running my PC with both scanners enabled, to see how it goes during my first year with Norton.
Excepting for the Autofix messages, which disappeared from my PC back sometime in June, I haven't encountered conflict issues, or those that are observable to me.
When I run my overnight unattended full scans with both tools, I have set up the start times so that the scans aren't running simultaneously. I'm not sure if that is necessary but it seemed like the best approach when I was setting up the scanner schedules.
This is just my inexperienced take on this subject but I think that a certain percentage of PC users, depending perhaps on their OS, and their overall PC environment and user habits, are able to run Norton AV's alongside with MBAM Pro.
Conversly, there are most likely a certain number of PC users that are in the other category that do experience observable conflicts with MBAM pro and their AV's.
I guess I'm questioning a "one size fits all" point of view, in that, no one should run any real-time AV tool alongside MBAM Pro, or any other anti-malware-specific tool.
I'm curious as to the percentage of users that encounter conflicts, getting affected by an incoming threat that was allowed in the door due to conflicting real-time scanners, or other observable effects on their PC's.
The point that MBAM is making, if I understand the read over at their thread, is that their product is specifically designed to run in tandem with the major AV suites.
I've asked them that question and the answer that I receive is "yes", that's their design in their Pro version of the product.
huwyngr wrote:J-Mac,
I don't think it is correct to blame Norton for flagging something MBAM is trying to do when Norton is just doing its job!
Try looking at it this way:
1 -- In order to do its job MBAM has to dive deep into the system and "mess" with what it finds -- so does malware!
2 -- Malware tries to stop MBAM from doing its job and one thing MBAM does is offer a download/install version that uses a different identity every time so that malware that tries to block it can't do that just based on name.
3 -- So if Norton is doing its job it will flag MBAM as digging down into the system and it's no good saying that Norton ought to be able to identify MBAM as safe since that is just what malware wants to deceive security software, and the computer user, into believing.
4 -- If you don't like Norton and don't want to use that is a perfectly valid decision on your part but please don't blame Norton for playing safe with your system ......
Especially when you can get the best of both worlds by using Norton the way it is designed to run and using the non-interactive, free version of MBAM as backup when you want to double check your system for things that may have sneaked in, or even been invited in by the user which is hard for Norton to prevent or you will end up with the VISTA like UAC which asked you if you really wanted to do something every time you clicked on an installed application to start it or change it ..... so infuriating that not only did Norton Labs offer a free experimental tool that civilized UAC but also Microsoft radically changed it for Windows 7 ....
That's the way I look at it.
I agree with what you said, Hugh,
I just want to add that these Malwarebytes Fictions, never have the words "THE END".
The user must choose the software that is considered more appropriate to their needs, and then have to trust him.
I still don't see why one should choose to pay a software (in this case NIS), and then having to resort to another paid software like MBAM PRO.
If NIS is trusted by the user, he must have NIS with the real-time Protection enabled, and one secondary scanner just to play the on-demand scans.
Everyone has the right to say and do what he sees fit, but since this is a forum of Symantec (Norton), we should discuss about these products, giving a small contribution so that they can match the needs of the end users.
If the user doesn't trust Norton, he should turn to another seller that he believes more reliable, and therefore should go to post in the forum set up by the said seller.
I trust Symantec 4ever!
Sandro
I'm not certain about the "fictions" remark but I'm here to learn and ask questions. If that's considered inappropriate regarding this specific subject then I get it, and will not ask further questions about this topic.
I've stated several times since I've arrived at this forum that I'm a pleased Norton customer but I also believe in asking questions when I read about a conflict with another malware-specific tool and an AV running in real-time when I've not as yet experienced conflict issues on my 2 PC's.
Here's one example why I like running MBAM Pro alongside Norton 360 in real-time mode:
My MBAM flash scan (I think this is a MBAM-Pro specific scan) detected a few PUP's. I realize that they're not, apparently in most situations, a threat to one's PC but I prefer to know as soon as possible that something has entered the realm :). I also like the real-time scanning when surfing the 'net as I occasionally observe MBAM tray notices that it's blocked items that Norton doesn't consider a problem.
I'm not playing "Captain Negativity" with Norton :), I'm just preferring a 2nd-opinion malware-specific tool running real-time alongside Norton's protection.
If I were experiencing conflict errors, boot problems, Norton dialog's appearing related to conflicts being detected, I'd disable the MBAM real-time protection option.
My case could be a long-shot situation where I've been fortunate or, due to other reasons related to my OS, PC environment, I'm not seeing conflict issues with MBAM Pro and Norton 360 in conjunction with each other.
I don't think it's a question about exclusive "trust", but (imo) it's about verifying (to borrow an over-used phrase in recent media circles) :d).
I also am interested in MBAM and how it coexists with Norton products but if that's considered off-limits here and should be confined to the Malware thread, then I'll comply without further posts here.
As we all know, MBAM is a major player in the PC-protection market and it states that it's designed to work with the major AV suites.
I've learned some good tips and info at this forum since arriving on the scene. It's a great place to pick up info about Norton products and for the most part, 99%, I've observed 'net curtesy and professional comments from the members here. If one surfs forums frequently, they know that this kind of forum environment is becoming more infrequent these days.
Bottom line for me is if someone in authority here (Admin/Mod) tells me "the end", that's cool :), and I'll move on.
My $0.02
- Just because you don't see any incompatibility doesn't mean there won't be a clash if both products try to quarantine the same threat.
- Even if there is no incompatibility, your system will be under twice the resource drain having two real-time scanning engines.
Krusty13 wrote:My $0.02
- Just because you don't see any incompatibility doesn't mean there won't be a clash if both products try to quarantine the same threat.
- Even if there is no incompatibility, your system will be under twice the resource drain having two real-time scanning engines.
Good points :) Thanks for the input.
I've not noticed a resource issue but I'm what most would consider a light user, ie, no gaming, etc. I have a more than adequate Desktop setup (memory, processor, etc) for what I do on my PC so that's probably why I haven't noticed the resource issue.
I knew that potentially that was going to be the case with 2 real-time scanners running together and it's something that I am ok with for the present.
The quarantine point is a good one. I guess so far, I've not seen that issue arise with my 2 PC's. If that happens, I'll most likely disable the Pro version.
Since I'm running daily full scans with both products, they (theoretically) will detect such threats and quarantine them at that time. If I see that this hasn't happened, I'll most likely disable the Pro real-time option.
Has anyone experienced the conflict issue, ie, allowing a threat to get past the tool's protective screenings due to MBAM's Pro version running alongside a Norton AV suite?
Perhaps it's a moot question unless one is able to induce a threat on a test bench situation with one PC running a Norton AV with MBAM Pro and the other PC running Norton without it (MBAM Free version).
sandro:
> I still don't see why one should choose to pay a software (in this case NIS),
> and then having to resort to another paid software like MBAM PRO.
That would occur when the pay software comes in last in the October AV-Comparatives test.
Last as in "behind even Microsoft Security Essentials."
Hi,
I think all of us strongly recommend only one 'paid' security program, with an active/real-time scanner. Many of us also recommend that you have a second opinion scanner, free, that you can use as you deem necessary to insure that you have your system as clean and secure as possible.
No single security program can protect you 100% of the time from 100% of the threats that are being released by the thousands daily. The chair / keyboard interface is the most important security product you have. Keep it fully engaged at all times. READ the text BEFORE clicking.
If you choose to use different security product be sure to clean the first one out BEFORE attempting to install the new one. This site may prove helpful
http://singularlabs.com/uninstallers/
Stay weall and surf safe. We'll be here when you need us.
joen wrote:sandro:
> I still don't see why one should choose to pay a software (in this case NIS),
> and then having to resort to another paid software like MBAM PRO.
That would occur when the pay software comes in last in the October AV-Comparatives test.
Last as in "behind even Microsoft Security Essentials."
That's an interesting report, if I found the right PDF report using Google.
dickevans wrote:Hi,
I think all of us strongly recommend only one 'paid' security program, with an active/real-time scanner. Many of us also recommend that you have a second opinion scanner, free, that you can use as you deem necessary to insure that you have your system as clean and secure as possible.
No single security program can protect you 100% of the time from 100% of the threats that are being released by the thousands daily. The chair / keyboard interface is the most important security product you have. Keep it fully engaged at all times. READ the text BEFORE clicking.
If you choose to use different security product be sure to clean the first one out BEFORE attempting to install the new one. This site may prove helpful
http://singularlabs.com/uninstallers/
Stay weall and surf safe. We'll be here when you need us.
I agree about the "chair" :). No question, there's no guaranteed protection tool available. I've averaged about 1 hit per year over the last 9 years or so, where 2 intrusions required cleanup's or installing my spare cloned HDD.
One reason that I bought the MBAM Pro version is that it's a one-time fee. I had expected an annual license fee requirement for the tool.
Regarding the current discussion, I think it best for me to bow out so as to move on from the subject.
I found this thread interesting reading. It's an old thread but the last post was posted by an MBAM staff member. He received no replies to his question which was somewhat interesting to me about this topic.
I appreciate all inputs from you all here and happy trails on your
Scoop8 wrote:I'm not certain about the "fictions" remark but I'm here to learn and ask questions. If that's considered inappropriate regarding this specific subject then I get it, and will not ask further questions about this topic.
Hi Scoop8,
What I said in the previous post, was a way to highlight that on this forum, we discuss too often about software other than Norton, and this sometimes gets boring.
BTW, the content of my post was not referring to your requests. Reading all responses you have had from many users, I believe that you have had a very adequate support. Myself, I've said that a secondary scanner like "MBAM FREE", can be used for your on-demand scans.
Even gurus like yank, Hugh,Dick and others, suggest to have a single software having the real-time enabled.
I hope you agree with what I said and that this can help you.
1- J -Mac, post # 14 said: BTW, I am not using NIS , NAV.
@ J- Mac: you should post in the appropriate forum for your software.
2- joen, post # 32 said: That would occur Pay When the software comes in last October in the AV- Comparatives test. Last as in "behind even Microsoft Security Essentials. "
@ joen, the AV-Comparatives tests are not reliable, I know how these tests are made, and I'd rather not say more ....
Sandro
Sandro_cm wrote:
Scoop8 wrote:I'm not certain about the "fictions" remark but I'm here to learn and ask questions. If that's considered inappropriate regarding this specific subject then I get it, and will not ask further questions about this topic.
Hi Scoop8,
What I said in the previous post, was a way to highlight that on this forum, we discuss too often about software other than Norton, and this sometimes gets boring.
BTW, the content of my post was not referring to your requests. Reading all responses you have had from many users, I believe that you have had a very adequate support. Myself, I've said that a secondary scanner like "MBAM FREE", can be used for your on-demand scans.
Even gurus like yank, Hugh,Dick and others, suggest to have a single software having the real-time enabled.
I hope you agree with what I said and that this can help you.
1- J -Mac, post # 14 said: BTW, I am not using NIS , NAV.
@ J- Mac: you should post in the appropriate forum for your software.
2- joen, post # 32 said: That would occur Pay When the software comes in last October in the AV- Comparatives test. Last as in "behind even Microsoft Security Essentials. "
@ joen, the AV-Comparatives tests are not reliable, I know how these tests are made, and I'd rather not say more ....
Sandro
Sandro
For the present, I'll agree to disagree with the consensus about running Pro with Norton AV's but that may change for me later. I respect the consensus here and that's why I won't resurrect the subject here or elsewhere on this forum.
Also thanks for that info about the AV testing. I read the PDF file and I admit that I was wondering about the testing methodology.
Bottom line for anyone, it seems to me, is that it's all about what someone is comfortable with (PC / AV choice) and how that choice performs for the user.
Based on this criteria, I'm staying with my grade, after 11 months, of running Norton 360 with an
Scoop8 wrote:
Sandro_cm wrote:
Scoop8 wrote:I'm not certain about the "fictions" remark but I'm here to learn and ask questions. If that's considered inappropriate regarding this specific subject then I get it, and will not ask further questions about this topic.
Hi Scoop8,
What I said in the previous post, was a way to highlight that on this forum, we discuss too often about software other than Norton, and this sometimes gets boring.
BTW, the content of my post was not referring to your requests. Reading all responses you have had from many users, I believe that you have had a very adequate support. Myself, I've said that a secondary scanner like "MBAM FREE", can be used for your on-demand scans.
Even gurus like yank, Hugh,Dick and others, suggest to have a single software having the real-time enabled.
I hope you agree with what I said and that this can help you.
1- J -Mac, post # 14 said: BTW, I am not using NIS , NAV.
@ J- Mac: you should post in the appropriate forum for your software.
2- joen, post # 32 said: That would occur Pay When the software comes in last October in the AV- Comparatives test. Last as in "behind even Microsoft Security Essentials. "
@ joen, the AV-Comparatives tests are not reliable, I know how these tests are made, and I'd rather not say more ....
Sandro
Sandro
For the present, I'll agree to disagree with the consensus about running Pro with Norton AV's but that may change for me later. I respect the consensus here and that's why I won't resurrect the subject here or elsewhere on this forum.
Also thanks for that info about the AV testing. I read the PDF file and I admit that I was wondering about the testing methodology.
Bottom line for anyone, it seems to me, is that it's all about what someone is comfortable with (PC / AV choice) and how that choice performs for the user.
Based on this criteria, I'm staying with my grade, after 11 months, of running Norton 360 with an
Hi Scoop8,
I'm glad to know that everything has been cleared up between us.
You're always welcome in this forum as well as all those who post asking for suggestions and help when needed.
Have a nice day too, Scoop8
Sandro
Scoop8 wrote:
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For the present, I'll agree to disagree with the consensus about running Pro with Norton AV's but that may change for me later. I respect the consensus here and that's why I won't resurrect the subject here or elsewhere on this forum.
Also thanks for that info about the AV testing. I read the PDF file and I admit that I was wondering about the testing methodology.
Bottom line for anyone, it seems to me, is that it's all about what someone is comfortable with (PC / AV choice) and how that choice performs for the user.
[...]
Hi Scoop8
Please don't concede; feel free to restate your opinion on this subject as often as you wish on these forum boards. There is no firm consensus about this issue here.
Norton users who are using Microsoft's Internet Explorer 10 browser with the SmartScreen Filter enabled are effectively using two real-time Application Reputation scanners in tandem.
Given that, Norton Community members should familiarize themselves with the following article, before jumping to conclusions:
http://askleo.com/stop-spreading-manure/
elsewhere
Hi, thanks for the post. I'm staying with my decision to leave this topic in the past, publicly in threads. I have PM'ed someone else about this subject and offered my experience about it but as you can see in another thread in the 360 forum, it's a debate that won't end so it's best for me to leave it alone going forward, at this forum.
That link you provided has a lot of truth in there.