Network Security Map, Does not refresh Network

Hello,

 

Just rebuilt my computer (older) Windows XP, Installed NIS 2012, it worked fine. But i noticed my wireless card drivers were not up to date. So I uninstalled my wireless Linksys Card and installed new drivers.

 

After this the problem with the Network Security Map, does not refresh Network devices. It only shows the PC that it is installed on, I played around for a while trying to refresh so it would find my other computers and devices but as I said it only shows the PC that NIS 2012 is installed on. My other PC's work fine and find the devices, the only way I can connect a device is to manually add the IP address.

 

Next step I uninstalled NIS 2012, and left the registration information in, restarted and still the Network Security Map, does not refresh Network, nor does it let me connect for file sharing. I assuming I have to do a full uninstall to get the network security map to work as it does on my other computers.

 

I'm quite upset and do not want to reinstall windows, I'm waste my time installing and removing the software. This works great on my other systems. After the install it did the setup for the network security map again, but still could not find the devices.

 

Is there a way to fix this problem?

 

If I have to uninstall fully NIS 2012, im not going to be impressed.....

 

Thanks,

Edward

No luck, even after removing software, removing registry entrys, NIS2012 still knows information to activate. NICE uninstall you got there...

 

Well if I dont get a solution in the next couple days I will be reinstalling windows, BS!

 

Same Issue, will not refresh Network Security Map and show connected devices...

 

I'm all out of idea's, need a software (NIS2012) removal tool to completely remove the software, unless someone has a simpler idea?

 

Thanks & Good Night...

Edward

Software NIS2013 latest version 20 I think, just updated today.

 

NIC Card: Linksys WR54GS

OS: Windows XP SP3 (x86) fully updated

Computer: Heinz 57 (Bits and peices of everything)

I have had this issue on my HP laptop for some time. I tried reinstalling and reconfiguring NIS many times. My posts here did not come up with a solution.

My desktop has no problem seeing all devices on my network.

Both systems running Windows 7 Ultimate, SP1,fully updated with Microsoft Update.


Hello,

 

Just rebuilt my computer (older) Windows XP, Installed NIS 2012, it worked fine. But i noticed my wireless card drivers were not up to date. So I uninstalled my wireless Linksys Card and installed new drivers.

 

After this the problem with the Network Security Map, does not refresh Network devices. It only shows the PC that it is installed on, I played around for a while trying to refresh so it would find my other computers and devices but as I said it only shows the PC that NIS 2012 is installed on. My other PC's work fine and find the devices, the only way I can connect a device is to manually add the IP address.

 

Next step I uninstalled NIS 2012, and left the registration information in, restarted and still the Network Security Map, does not refresh Network, nor does it let me connect for file sharing. I assuming I have to do a full uninstall to get the network security map to work as it does on my other computers.

 

I'm quite upset and do not want to reinstall windows, I'm waste my time installing and removing the software. This works great on my other systems. After the install it did the setup for the network security map again, but still could not find the devices.

 

Is there a way to fix this problem?

 

If I have to uninstall fully NIS 2012, im not going to be impressed.....

 

Thanks,

Edward

I would try unconnecting all the other devices, then purging the Network Security Map, then reconnecting the other devices to the network.  Norton should see them as you connect them.

 


SendOfJive wrote:

 

I would try unconnecting all the other devices, then purging the Network Security Map, then reconnecting the other devices to the network.  Norton should see them as you connect them.

 


Thank you,

 

I tried that as well, I purged the cache for the Network Security Map, and then restarted computer and then allowed it to re-

find the devices after they were off and then turned on.

 

I have read a few post about similar issues and tried these solutions with no luck.

 

I think what it needed is the software FULL removed and a clean install of NIS 2013, still looking for the link that I had found which related to a removal tool

Also,

 

The network map seems to be additive. In other words, if  a network user logs off and logs back on it's added as a new user.

 

Try purging the network map, then check the network map again.


Edward572 wrote:

SendOfJive wrote:

 

I would try unconnecting all the other devices, then purging the Network Security Map, then reconnecting the other devices to the network.  Norton should see them as you connect them.

 


Thank you,

 

I tried that as well, I purged the cache for the Network Security Map, and then restarted computer and then allowed it to re-

find the devices after they were off and then turned on.

 

I have read a few post about similar issues and tried these solutions with no luck.

 

I think what it needed is the software FULL removed and a clean install of NIS 2013, still looking for the link that I had found which related to a removal tool


 

Hi, Edward572.  A couple of ideas:

 

1. Are you running DHCP on your Router to assign IP addresses to connected devices?  If so, have you ensured there are no conflicting IP addresses?

 

One of the problems with having items return to the DHCP Pool when their leases run out (dynamic DHCP) - is this may create a conflict with devices which cache IP Address data (such as the NIS Network Security Map).  This is especially the case with routers that do not have the brains to assign completely-unused IP addresses to newly-discovered-devices until such time as the entire DHCP IP-range has been assigned at least once.

 

 

2. The usual fix for the above is a router firmware upgrade.  If that does not solve the problem, making DHCP Reservations on the Router for *all* the standard items on your network is the usual solution to this problem.

 

Note: Routers that reassign IP addresses in the DHCP pool "from the bottom up" will recreate conflicts when older devices are off - their leases have expired - and fresh devices are added to the network - unless the older device IP Addresses are properly reserved by the Router.  Thus, it is highly recommended to reserve IPs on routers that work as described at the beginning of this paragraph - if those older devices which are assigned IP addresses by the Router's DHCP are truly items you will see regularly - but those items may be off for long enough periods of time that their leases expire. 

 

Solving the problem of conflicting IP addresses by "brute force" can be done by manually purging the IP and ARP caches on the router itself and on each machine on the network.  However,  I consider this far too much trouble to be worth the effort - and solve the problem by simply making DHCP reservations on the Router - as a "bulletproofing" procedure - for any items regularly assigned to that Router on that network segment.

 

 

3. When it comes to network drivers "new" does not necessarily mean "better" when it comes to WXP.  Drivers designed for W7 or later may end up having their IP/ARP caches managed using a different methodology than WXP.  Thus, a driver designed for W7 may not keep the WXP IP/ARP caches up-to-date when DHCP is updated by the router - thus leading to conflicts.

 

As a result, it is entirely possible that using a "newer and supposedly better" driver is a potential source of your problem.  I have run into this exact issue with RAID Hard Disk Controller Drivers, Cardbus Card Drivers and Wireless Network Drivers - where I specifically had to experiment with the various released driver versions until I found something that ran reliably under WXP.  The newest "good for XP" driver is sometimes 1-3 levels back from the newest release..

 

DO NOT assume the hardware manufacturers are smart enough to keep the crucial differences between WXP and W7 straight on their own.  Too many drink the Microsoft Kool-Aid and assume that "it's certified for W8/W7, it'll work with everything previous" when that is clearly not the case.

 

 

Hope this helps.

 


Ballistic wrote:

Also,

 

The network map seems to be additive. In other words, if  a network user logs off and logs back on it's added as a new user.

 

Try purging the network map, then check the network map again.


Thanks for your comments:

Did the above, no luck or result, software is not working (Network Security Map)...

 

I have purged Unintalled NIS 2013, with add/remove, with the Norton Software Removal Tool. Re-installed and still the software knows my registration information, etc so it does not remove the product complete like a hard drive format.

 

I can get it to network properly and share with devices, so I did a work around un-installed NIS 2013 and installed AVIRA Free and it works great now, until there is a fix for this issue then I guess I run another 3rd party software.


twixt wrote:

Edward572 wrote:

SendOfJive wrote:

 

I would try unconnecting all the other devices, then purging the Network Security Map, then reconnecting the other devices to the network.  Norton should see them as you connect them.

 


Thank you,

 

I tried that as well, I purged the cache for the Network Security Map, and then restarted computer and then allowed it to re-

find the devices after they were off and then turned on.

 

I have read a few post about similar issues and tried these solutions with no luck.

 

I think what it needed is the software FULL removed and a clean install of NIS 2013, still looking for the link that I had found which related to a removal tool


 

Hi, Edward572.  A couple of ideas:

 

1. Are you running DHCP on your Router to assign IP addresses to connected devices?  If so, have you ensured there are no conflicting IP addresses?

 

One of the problems with having items return to the DHCP Pool when their leases run out (dynamic DHCP) - is this may create a conflict with devices which cache IP Address data (such as the NIS Network Security Map).  This is especially the case with routers that do not have the brains to assign completely-unused IP addresses to newly-discovered-devices until such time as the entire DHCP IP-range has been assigned at least once.

 

 

2. The usual fix for the above is a router firmware upgrade.  If that does not solve the problem, making DHCP Reservations on the Router for *all* the standard items on your network is the usual solution to this problem.

 

Note: Routers that reassign IP addresses in the DHCP pool "from the bottom up" will recreate conflicts when older devices are off - their leases have expired - and fresh devices are added to the network - unless the older device IP Addresses are properly reserved by the Router.  Thus, it is highly recommended to reserve IPs on routers that work as described at the beginning of this paragraph - if those older devices which are assigned IP addresses by the Router's DHCP are truly items you will see regularly - but those items may be off for long enough periods of time that their leases expire. 

 

Solving the problem of conflicting IP addresses by "brute force" can be done by manually purging the IP and ARP caches on the router itself and on each machine on the network.  However,  I consider this far too much trouble to be worth the effort - and solve the problem by simply making DHCP reservations on the Router - as a "bulletproofing" procedure - for any items regularly assigned to that Router on that network segment.

 

 

3. When it comes to network drivers "new" does not necessarily mean "better" when it comes to WXP.  Drivers designed for W7 or later may end up having their IP/ARP caches managed using a different methodology than WXP.  Thus, a driver designed for W7 may not keep the WXP IP/ARP caches up-to-date when DHCP is updated by the router - thus leading to conflicts.

 

As a result, it is entirely possible that using a "newer and supposedly better" driver is a potential source of your problem.  I have run into this exact issue with RAID Hard Disk Controller Drivers, Cardbus Card Drivers and Wireless Network Drivers - where I specifically had to experiment with the various released driver versions until I found something that ran reliably under WXP.  The newest "good for XP" driver is sometimes 1-3 levels back from the newest release..

 

DO NOT assume the hardware manufacturers are smart enough to keep the crucial differences between WXP and W7 straight on their own.  Too many drink the Microsoft Kool-Aid and assume that "it's certified for W8/W7, it'll work with everything previous" when that is clearly not the case.

 

 

Hope this helps.

 


Thank you for your comments

 

My Backgroud (Network Administrator) (A+ Certified)

 

I use static IP's and it worked until I updated my wireless card drivers. I have even used the old drivers and un-installed Purged NIS 2013 with Add/Remove and Norton Software Removal Tool.

Router reset cleared old information, flashed.

 

1. Worked at first (changed driver), Stopped working.

2. Purged the Network Security Map (50 Times), does not find dives.

3. re-installed Wireless Card drivers, reinstall NIS2013 (10 Times)

 

This feature works fine on Windows 7 (x64), Windows 7 (x86) computers in my house, but no luck with WinXP.

 

It also stopped my one computer from sharing, and the other works, I could connect from the problem computer to the Win 7 (x64), but not from the (x64) to the windows XP (x86).

 

I see this issue in a few posts and have not found any post to fix problem.

 

If I want to have this work, I need to reinstall windows to get the NIS 2013 out of the registry, install the Wireless network card with the correct driver and then re-install NIS 2013, AND I NOT going there, since I just wasted about 24-36 Hours trying to set this up. How about a complete removal of this software (NIS2013) not just deleting the folders and removing the name from ADD/REMOVE.

 

Not too Impressed!

Edward

Hi Edwards572,

 

When you purge the network you must turn off Remote Monitoring and close the Network Security Map.  Additionally, any devices that you have manually added to Trust Control that have a trust level of Full Trust or Restricted will not be removed - so you will want to change the trust level of these devices to Shared or Protected before purging them.

 


SendOfJive wrote:

Hi Edwards572,

 

When you purge the network you must turn off Remote Monitoring and close the Network Security Map.  Additionally, any devices that you have manually added to Trust Control that have a trust level of Full Trust or Restricted will not be removed - so you will want to change the trust level of these devices to Shared or Protected before purging them.

 


Thanks Again SendOfJive...

Ok, I did that and still the same issue, however I used the Nortons Removal Tool and Uninstalled NIS 2013 completely. My network sharing issues went away I can not share bettween all computers in my home network, but no protection on the problem machine. I Installed AVIRA Free just to see if the problem would repeat itself for sharing, it worked, removed Avira.

 

I uninstalled the new driver file for the wireless nic card and installed original drivers. Cleared the registry of "Wireless Network Connection" 1,2 etc".

 

With NIS 2013 not installed my network share works well, but i would like to have it installed to protect my network. I even changed the workgroup and NET-BIOS name of the computer, and then setting back to the proper workgroup. This should have cleared any old information about the nic card and cached network information.

 

Everthing shared works, without NIS 2013 installed, so pwd protected folders still connect with entire network, so my computer is not the problem nor is Win XP (x86), Win 7 (x64) and Win 7 (x86). The networking problems begin with the installation of NIS 2013, then I have connection share issues.

 

It does not forget old setup of the Network Security Map, even though it says it setting it up the first time you click on it. Then again the automatic function does not work, again purging does nothing. Something has engrained itself in WinXP and will not leave, again I can fix with format C: but I don't want to go there.

 

This is just an old computer in my guest room, but would be nice to have it operate together.

 

Still looking for a FIX?

 

 

No Fix yet?

Hello Edward572,

 

Have you checked that the Communication Port for the Network Security Map is the same across all machines?

 

Settings > Network > Network Security Settings > Network Security Map > Communication Port