Questions about Comcast Norton Back ups

Hello again CalamitySusan.

 

I note that no one else with a knowledge of your specific software has jumped in.

 

Glad to see that you did in fact try a simplified backup to F.  But what you have done I would not have described as simple.  And yes I am still confused at what you are trying to do, but let me try and suggest what I think might be a productive way to proceed.

 

First I must say that your C:\Documents\ folder looks odd to me (e.g. folders GameHouse and Game House...) and I am puzzled as to why you have gone for what looks like an odd folder that you apparently retrieved via another online backup for your test.  It looks to me as if there is likely to be a fair amount of data in the C:\Documents folder that does not need to be backed up.  There is also likely to be data that Norton will consider "encrypted".

 

So my suggestion remains that you set up and run a very simple backup test to F:.  Before you start, clear all data off the F drive.  As this is apparently just what you have put there in the recent backup test that should not be an issue.

 

Then open up Manage Backups and the "Few Files" backup set.  Under the "What" tab ensure that none of the boxes on the right are checked, and that just the "C:\" box on the left is ticked.  Then select "Add or exclude files or folders".  Make sure that C:\ is excluded (repeat excluded) then clear out any other entries.  Such a setup would obviously back up nothing but it ensures a clean start.  Having done this, add in a few files that you know you want to preserve.  I would expect these to be in your C:\Documents folder.  However if you have none in the root of that directory find a few somewhere else.  I recommend that for the moment you do not try including favorites.  If you have a folder with just a few documents or images that you know you want to save then you could try including that/those folders but we are trying to keep this simple (it is a test not intended to be a full backup).  Also do not forget that if you select a folder to backup (rather than a file) then Norton is going to try and backup everything in that folder including any sub folders.  When you have done this try running Preview and checking that the anticipated backup is small and around the size you would have expected.  If that looks good then run the backup and report back whether it was a success or failure.  Please just keep it simple - both what you try to do and what you report.  If we cannot keep it simple I cannot help.

 

I await your response with interest.


Andmike wrote:

Hello again CalamitySusan.

 

I note that no one else with a knowledge of your specific software has jumped in.

 

Glad to see that you did in fact try a simplified backup to F.  But what you have done I would not have described as simple.  And yes I am still confused at what you are trying to do, but let me try and suggest what I think might be a productive way to proceed.

 

So my suggestion remains that you set up and run a very simple backup test to F:.  Before you start, clear all data off the F drive.  As this is apparently just what you have put there in the recent backup test that should not be an issue.

As I have spent much time trying to get a list of folders from the Documents folder located on C:, I am reluctant to clear "Few Files" backup so I will use another flash drive on H: I am choosing a folder called "Color pics" which has 23 jpgs (no folders inside). Second, I am choosing a folder called "Family letters" which has one Word document and one MS Works Word Processor document (no folders inside "Family letters"). Third and fourth will be "Untitled Document.wps" and "Untitled Envelope.wps" which are in the Document folder on C: but not in any other folder in Documents.  I would expect the total size to reflect the total of 972 KB(Color pics), 83.5KB (Family Letters),8.5KB ("Untitled Envelope.wps"), and 11 KB for "Untitled Document.wps".

 

Then open up Manage Backups and the "Few Files" backup set.  Under the "What" tab ensure that none of the boxes on the right are checked, and that just the "C:\" box on the left is ticked.  Then select "Add or exclude files or folders".  Make sure that C:\ is excluded (repeat excluded) then clear out any other entries.  Such a setup would obviously back up nothing but it ensures a clean start.  Having done this, add in a few files that you know you want to preserve.  I would expect these to be in your C:\Documents folder.  However if you have none in the root of that directory find a few somewhere else.  I recommend that for the moment you do not try including favorites.  If you have a folder with just a few documents or images that you know you want to save then you could try including that/those folders but we are trying to keep this simple (it is a test not intended to be a full backup).  Also do not forget that if you select a folder to backup (rather than a file) then Norton is going to try and backup everything in that folder including any sub folders.  When you have done this try running Preview and checking that the anticipated backup is small and around the size you would have expected.  If that looks good then run the backup and report back whether it was a success or failure.  Please just keep it simple - both what you try to do and what you report.  If we cannot keep it simple I cannot help.

 

I looked closely at the options you have chosen and was grateful for the clear instructions. I did as instructed : Source was C;, but C: was excluded. I cleared out from the list of exclusions whose appearance occurred before C: could even be excluded; they were C:\Program Files\,  C:\Program Data\, C:\Users\Public\Music\Sample Music\,C:\Users\Public\Pictures\Sample Pictures and C:\Users\Public\Videos\Sample Videos. I then included the two folders and the "individual" files. Previewing the backup produced a listing of the files and folders expected with all the folder content included with each folder. It called for a CD for a 1 MG backup of 27 files.Backup was then run and the files/folders were shown to be there via Windows explorer showing what was in "Simple Test on H:" which was listed in Norton Backup Drive. The log listed all the files as backed up. No "encrypted file" notice and I would not expect one from folders created by me with documents written by me and jpgs taken by me.

 

If a file had been encrypted, i would expect the name to appear in the listing with something like "Not backed up: File encrypted". That was the problem with "Few Files". Only until I tried to include at the file level the suspected  file which was in "Event Viewer Errors Explained" folder in "Favorites" folder which was in the "July 9 files from Dell Data Online" folder in C:\Users\Susan M\Documents did I get something that clearly showed the file problem(see below).

 

Missing file addd to backup on F and alledgedly backup but failure.jpg

 

I do not know if the sum I indicated in the previous paragraph (in green type) equals 1MG or near it. (Can you sum those numbers?) This is one run of a backup and if I added more files, would the number of files backed up be shown as the total number of files on the flashdrive or the number of files backed up on that particular run of backup? This has been my confusion as it looks like it checks each time for the items on the list no matter when they were added to the list.

 

It seems easiest with my difficulty with dealing with paths to show you the contents of "Simple Test on H:" via a photo. See below:

Simple Test pic.jpg

 

 

 

OK. How do you evaluate this test?

CS

 

I await your response with interest.

 

Ditto. CS


 

Andmike: As the previous post showed the suspected file name, I feel I should show the content of the suspect folder on C: and the resulting suspect folder on F:. By comparing the two I found what was missing and then at the file level added the file to the backup with the resulting notice shown in previous post.

 

The folder on C: (below):Missing item.jpg

 

The folder on F: (below):

Event viewer errors explained folder in Norton Backup Drive.jpg

 

So Andmike: I hope this explains what happened and what I was trying to do. I thought I was supposed to find the encrypted file. My Documents complexity made it extremely difficult. This file had to be added via Manage backups etc and not via add to backups when looking at Documents via Windows Explorer. The file path was too long, the folder too deep in the structure ...

CS.

 

Hello again CalamitySusan.

 

It appears that you have done pretty much what I suggested and it appears to have been successful.  Which I hope pleases you.  But yet again you have raised extra issues which I think are inclined to muddy the waters and so I am inclined to ignore them - please feel free to come back separately on any issue that you consider is important.

 

You however have also stated a number of points which puzzle me, this may be simply because we are using different systems but has lead me to add some points at the end.

 

You ask how I evaluate the test.  How do you evaluate it?  To me it looks like a success.

 

What I was trying to do, was to get you to set up a backup of files that you wanted to save, onto an external device, and get it to run without any errors.  That appears to have been achieved and so I see it as a success.  To confirm this, I would suggest that you try renaming one of the files on your C: drive, that you have backed up and then use Norton Backup to restore the file from the Flash Drive to its original position.  This should give you the original file back under its original name in its original place, alongside the copy that you have renamed.  If this is successful then you may just want to delete the renamed file to save space.  Do let us know if you try this simple test and if so how it turns out.

 

Now as you have done this with two folders and two separate files you can go on to add any other files or folders of data that you need to backup - up to the limit of the storage capacity of your backup device.  I have no idea how much space you have on your new Flash Drive but you can always compare the anticipated backup size (using "Preview") against the space available on the device.

 

You ask about the number of files etc being reported in the event that you add more files and folders.  It is my belief that the Preview numbers will always relate to the total number of files that would be on the back up.  You could try this by adding one file to your set and seeing what it reports.  It should be 28.  What I am not sure about if you change the files listed to be backed up, is whether Norton will backup up all the files afresh or just add the new one to the old set.  Either way the total in the backup should be the same and you can always check by looking at the preview.  Similarly you can always check to see what files are available for restore.  If one of the original files get changed then it will be backed up again as if new.

 

Now that you know that your backup works and that the number of files and folders is small you can try safely experimenting and see what happens.  Once you have gained confidence you will be able to add all the files that you need to backup and get the safety I think you were seeking.

 

If you really believe that you need to backup the folder containing the previously troublesome file (Event viewer errors explained) then you can specifically exclude the troublesome file.  Myself I would not bother to backup this folder.

 

So I hope that helps.  As I would expect you to get your new external drive soon I hope you will feel be ready to back things up to that with some confidence.  If not, please explain in simple terms what is your remaining key concern.

 

Finally let me comment on a couple of things that looked odd in your post.

 

1- You new Flash Drive H: - I had expected it to be F: even if it were a different Flash Drive as F: or H: is normally just the next drive number given by Windows.  So if you removed your old flash drive (which had been called F: ) then I would expect the next flash drive you plugged into a USB port to also be called F:.  That is unless you still have your old Flash drive plugged in.  This is not a good idea once the backup is complete.  Once you have finished working with the backup remove the Flash Drive and store it away from the device you have backed up.

 

2- You also say that Norton Backup "called for a CD".  This seems odd as you should have told it under the; manage backup sets - where; option, that you were using the Flash Drive.  However if you are just referring to the Preview window and the "Recommended Media" suggestion then I can quite understand as you were backing up very little.

 

3- As for your query about numbers: 972+83+8+11=1074 KB which can also be written 1,074 KB or 1 MB.  Which leads me to marvel at the small size of your .jpg files.  It would appear that their average size is around 42 KB which today is very small with most phone cameras saving individual images of several MB.  I merely comment on this to ensure that the images are the ones that you really want to save.  At that size they sound more like thumbnail images.

 

I hope the above helps.  Sorry it is so long.


Andmike wrote:

Hello again CalamitySusan.

You ask how I evaluate the test.  How do you evaluate it?  To me it looks like a success.

I wasn't sure what we were trying to prove and I wasn't sure how the numbers added up. It looked like a success to me but I needed to know if it was a success to you!

 

What I was trying to do, was to get you to set up a backup of files that you wanted to save, onto an external device, and get it to run without any errors.  That appears to have been achieved and so I see it as a success.  To confirm this, I would suggest that you try renaming one of the files on your C: drive, that you have backed up and then use Norton Backup to restore the file from the Flash Drive to its original position.  This should give you the original file back under its original name in its original place, alongside the copy that you have renamed.  If this is successful then you may just want to delete the renamed file to save space.  Do let us know if you try this simple test and if so how it turns out.

 

I will do the renaming this weekend and post back. Am replying to some of your points so I do not forget to tell you stuff.

 

Now as you have done this with two folders and two separate files you can go on to add any other files or folders of data that you need to backup - up to the limit of the storage capacity of your backup device.  I have no idea how much space you have on your new Flash Drive but you can always compare the anticipated backup size (using "Preview") against the space available on the device.

 

You ask about the number of files etc being reported in the event that you add more files and folders.  It is my belief that the Preview numbers will always relate to the total number of files that would be on the back up.  You could try this by adding one file to your set and seeing what it reports.  It should be 28.  What I am not sure about if you change the files listed to be backed up, is whether Norton will backup up all the files afresh or just add the new one to the old set.  Either way the total in the backup should be the same and you can always check by looking at the preview.  Similarly you can always check to see what files are available for restore.  If one of the original files get changed then it will be backed up again as if new.

 

Now that you know that your backup works and that the number of files and folders is small you can try safely experimenting and see what happens.  Once you have gained confidence you will be able to add all the files that you need to backup and get the safety I think you were seeking.

 

The process you are suggesting will have me add folders/files manually to the backup and none of the process is automated. When I get a full list of files backed up, can the backup setting then be used to back up on the new [future] hard drive? Will settings change to allow later files/folders to be automatically added to the new hard drive?

 

If you really believe that you need to backup the folder containing the previously troublesome file (Event viewer errors explained) then you can specifically exclude the troublesome file.  Myself I would not bother to backup this folder.

 

After all this, what was wanted was a procedure to deal with encrypted files as I don't know how I would in the future prevent another problem like this from occurring!

 

So I hope that helps.  As I would expect you to get your new external drive soon I hope you will feel be ready to back things up to that with some confidence.  If not, please explain in simple terms what is your remaining key concern.

 

Finally let me comment on a couple of things that looked odd in your post.

 

1- You new Flash Drive H: - I had expected it to be F: even if it were a different Flash Drive as F: or H: is normally just the next drive number given by Windows.  So if you removed your old flash drive (which had been called F: ) then I would expect the next flash drive you plugged into a USB port to also be called F:.  That is unless you still have your old Flash drive plugged in.  This is not a good idea once the backup is complete.  Once you have finished working with the backup remove the Flash Drive and store it away from the device you have backed up.

 

What you don't understand is, I left the flash drive on F: plugged in and added another flash drive in USB H:. Thanks for the point about removing flash drives and backups; I assume you mean the backups should be manual to flash drives and not automatic.

 

2- You also say that Norton Backup "called for a CD".  This seems odd as you should have told it under the; manage backup sets - where; option, that you were using the Flash Drive.  However if you are just referring to the Preview window and the "Recommended Media" suggestion then I can quite understand as you were backing up very little.

 

I may have forgotten to select H: at that point. As a matter of fact, this Simple Test was originally accidentally placed on C: and I had to redo the Simple Test on H:. The "called for a CD" message was indeed from the "Preview window".

 

3- As for your query about numbers: 972+83+8+11=1074 KB which can also be written 1,074 KB or 1 MB.  Which leads me to marvel at the small size of your .jpg files.  It would appear that their average size is around 42 KB which today is very small with most phone cameras saving individual images of several MB.  I merely comment on this to ensure that the images are the ones that you really want to save.  At that size they sound more like thumbnail images.

 

Most of my photos (in general, not this jpg folder/files) are either from photography buff friends/family or from me snapping photos of stuff happening on my computer. I went into Paint some time ago and "made" colors by adjusting hues. The result was made into jpgs. The jpgs were put into folder "Color pics".

 

I hope the above helps.  Sorry it is so long.


 

That was a speedy response CalamitySusan!

 

And in response to your comments:-

 

The process you are suggesting will have me add folders/files manually to the backup and none of the process is automated. When I get a full list of files backed up, can the backup setting then be used to back up on the new [future] hard drive? Will settings change to allow later files/folders to be automatically added to the new hard drive?

 

The process I am suggesting it that of you selecting the files/folders that really contain the information you need backed up.  Once done you should be able to leave it and let the backup get on with backing up the files.  If it is ready then all you will need to do is change the "where" part of the details for the backup set.

 

The advantage of selecting folders is that everything (not specifically excluded) in that folder is backed up even if you add new files.  So generally it is not a good idea to add individual files by this process (though you may wish to exclude individual files if they cause a problem).  In my case I basically select my "User" files with a couple of app data folders excluded.  This gives few entries in the selection screen and gets most things safely backed up.

 

After all this, what was wanted was a procedure to deal with encrypted files as I don't know how I would in the future prevent another problem like this from occurring!

 

Why do you want to back up encrypted files?  As you now know, Norton will not back up what it deems to be encrypted files.  In most cases the issue seems to be how to exclude these from the backup list, to avoid worrying messages about the backup having failed when in fact it had succeeded on all but a handful of "encrypted" files.  If you know which the "encrypted" files are and you still want to save copies then you can just copy them to some separate storage location.  But if you must save them, do not try it with Norton backup.

 

What you don't understand is, I left the flash drive on F: plugged in and added another flash drive in USB H:. Thanks for the point about removing flash drives and backups; I assume you mean the backups should be manual to flash drives and not automatic.

 

Exactly what I thought you had done and why I drew it to your attention.  Yes I would recommend that you do the backups manually that way you can avoid having things permanently attached to your machine and in the event of a disaster the backed up data should be safer. Please note that once you remove the Flash Drive in F: the one that was labeled H: is likely to be re-designated.  So you may like to look at the backup location again to ensure it is pointed in the correct direction.

 

Good luck with the restore test.  I hope things are now becoming clearer.


Andmike wrote:

That was a speedy response CalamitySusan!

 

After all this, what was wanted was a procedure to deal with encrypted files as I don't know how I would in the future prevent another problem like this from occurring!

 

Why do you want to back up encrypted files?  As you now know, Norton will not back up what it deems to be encrypted files.  In most cases the issue seems to be how to exclude these from the backup list, to avoid worrying messages about the backup having failed when in fact it had succeeded on all but a handful of "encrypted" files.  If you know which the "encrypted" files are and you still want to save copies then you can just copy them to some separate storage location.  But if you must save them, do not try it with Norton backup.

 

I do not want to back them up! I just don't know if anymore exist. Hence I need to know how to find them to avoid them. CS

 



 


CalamitySusan wrote:

 

 

I do not want to back them up! I just don't know if anymore exist. Hence I need to know how to find them to avoid them. CS

 


 

Hi Susan,

 

 

Just a quick answer as I happened to notice your question - then I'm out of here and turn you back over to Andmike:

 

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/161226-encrypted-files-find-all-local-hard-drives.html

Thanks for that helpful intervention Yank.

 

Sadly I think I have tried this in the past, and still I did not seem to find all the files that Norton deemed to be "encrypted".  Which is why I now always use quotation marks when referring to Norton and "encrypted" files.  :-(

 

Consequently my approach has been, and remains - only back up what you need - no program files, no app data (that normally seems to need to change in any case if you are doing a comprehensive restore), etc.  Then I try a backup and if it still failed on "encrypted" files I would aim to track them down (though Norton) and remove them.

 

In CalamitySusan's case now she can try adding folders and see if they cause any problems until she finds (and then excludes) the problem files or has everything backed up.

 

Norton's aversion to "encrypted" files is an irritation but it is not really a serious problem as it still seems to back up everything else.


Andmike wrote:

Thanks for that helpful intervention Yank.

 

Sadly I think I have tried this in the past, and still I did not seem to find all the files that Norton deemed to be "encrypted".  Which is why I now always use quotation marks when referring to Norton and "encrypted" files.  :-(

 

Yank and Andmike: I tried the procedure for finding encrypted files (link supplied by yank) and accidentally typed the command you are supposed to do in the black window into the "run" box". Next I did type "cmd" (stuff in between the quotes) into the run box and then pasted the command into the black box. Forgot to hit enter. Tried again same way but hit enter. Nothing happened. i tried to run the cmd.exe as administrator. Said it could not find the file (??). I hope I have not messed my computer up!

 

Consequently my approach has been, and remains - only back up what you need - no program files, no app data (that normally seems to need to change in any case if you are doing a comprehensive restore), etc.  Then I try a backup and if it still failed on "encrypted" files I would aim to track them down (though Norton) and remove them.

 

In CalamitySusan's case now she can try adding folders and see if they cause any problems until she finds (and then excludes) the problem files or has everything backed up.

 

Norton's aversion to "encrypted" files is an irritation but it is not really a serious problem as it still seems to back up everything else.

 

I am coming along slowly with the backup ---dealing only with the contents of Documents. I renamed "Color pics" and restored "Color pics" [ I am initially checking for problems with individual folders and files via "Simple Test" backup on H: before putting the trouble free folders and files on F: ("Few Files" backup). I had some "Duh" moments remembering that if I wanted "changed title color pics" to show in the Comcast Norton log as backed up, I had to add it to the list and back it up!

 

There seemed to be some inconsistent results  after undoing things and redoing things. Some files/folders had a "tilde" name  and then when undoing the backup and redoing the same file/folder backup the "tilde" name was gone!

 

I have many folders in Documents other than the troublesome "July 9 files from Dell Data Online" that have collections of urls. Some have not given any trouble but one has. I renamed it "Z I E Excess Links" to see if the shorter name would help. This folder also had an "Event Viewer Errors Explained" Folder which I removed from the larger folder and put into Documents. Backing this reduced size folder still caused problems: the backup supposedly failed according to the log; at the end of the running of backup, Norton said 0 files were backed up; and I do see files from this reduced sized folder on H:. I suppose I should check each file to see that each one made it or not. "Z I E Excess Links" was made by moving folders from Internet Explorer to Documents.  So why is this folder "encrypted"?

 

I have gotten some "Another backup is running, try another time" messages when in reality nothing was running. I have gotten some notices about Symantec .Net framework.

 

Thanks you two for the help so far!

CS

 


 

Hi CalamitySusan.

 

I'm sorry to say that you have lost me again.  You have been doing lots of things but so many, I am not sure what you are trying to do or what problems you have.

 

If you are having problems backing up a folder.  

 

1- Do not worry about the name of the folder I'm sure that Norton can cope with that though when showing you the name in a window it may insert a ~ in place of some of the text just to save space.

 

2- Ask yourself if you really need to back it up.  If not exclude it and the problem is solved.  

 

3- If you do need to back up the folder, try a backup of just that folder and see if it helps identify which file or files are causing the problem (limiting it to the one folder makes it easier to go through the log).  Then you can exclude them from future backups and the problem should be solved.

 

If the above does not clarify your important issues please come back and let us know what is the key issue that remains.  Please do not come back with a list of everything you have done, as that does not help me.  I just end up more confused.  :-(


Andmike wrote:

Hi CalamitySusan.

.......

 

If the above does not clarify your important issues please come back and let us know what is the key issue that remains.  Please do not come back with a list of everything you have done, as that does not help me.  I just end up more confused.  :-(

 

The issue now is: how do you get new files and folders to be backed up without having to manually select them? We've started with excluding C: and adding individual files/folders to back up list and exclusion list.  {No types of files/folders have been selected.} What now? CS


 

Hi Calamity Susan.

 

The answer is - make sure that the new files are created within a folder that you have specifically selected for back up - then run the backup again.  This should just add any new or changed files from the selected list to your backup.

 

Does that help?