NIS 2009 + Antibot

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Hi all,

 

I understand the features of AntiBot are built into NIS2009. My system has NIS2008 and Antibot installed, and when I started the NIS2009 installer, I was prompted to remove AntiBot -- but told that I could reinstall it after the installation, but that this was not necessary as NIS2009 incorporates the protection that AntiBot offers.

 

This is all well and good, but I'm running Vista x64, so I understand that this protection IE SONAR is not available to me through NIS2009 as It's a 64-bit OS. So I want to ask, in this light should I reinstall AntiBot?

I understand that if I were using 32-bit Vista, I would be fine with just NIS2009, but as I'm running 64-bit, I'm missing the protection that AntiBot offers. Is this correct? Should I reinstall it?

Thank you.

Could any of the employees say whether I'd need to install Antibot with NIS2009 on an X64 bit system when they have a moment please.

 

Thanks.

Any response from someone from Symantec would be nice… I would like to know wether or not my license for Antibot is of any use now that I use NIS2009.

Message Edited by denniz on 09-10-2008 08:03 PM

Hello denniz,

 

The above posts were in regards to the beta period. Norton AntiBot and Norton Internet Security 2009 will both run on Windows Vista 64-bit and will work together as well. You could use Norton AntiBot in lieu of the SONAR protection in 64-bit.

Thanx Tim

Is it any use to use them next to eachother?

Well the thing is that I’m using the 32-bit version of Windows Vista… :smileywink:

Yeah. I would like to know that, too.

There is quite a lot of confusion about that. 

 

Somebody checked several samples in a german forum and NIS 2009 with Antibot seemed to be better (on XP32Bit) than NIS 2009 alone.

 

Seen this way, I don't understand why Norton sells NIS  2009 without Norton Antibot.

Message Edited by Quimby79 on 09-10-2008 12:51 PM
Message Edited by Quimby79 on 09-10-2008 01:09 PM

Does one gain a lot of protection on a 64-bit machine by running NIS09 and AntiBot compared to just NIS09 (with the lack on SONAR, I assume?).

I have to say, I’m a bit confused.

Hello All,

 

You could use both products together. They are compatibile with each other. SONAR on 32-bit will take care of the bot protection for you, so you're already protected from bots- however, you could still choose to run them together for another layer of protection.

 

If you're using Vista 64-bit, then you could install Norton AntiBot with Norton Internet Security 2009 since SONAR isn't supported in 64-bit for this year's release.

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Thanks,

Think I’ll reinstall AntiBot tomorrow then. Hopefully 64-bit support for SONAR can make it into NIS2010!

The problem is you don't answer the question! We know that NIS 2009 and Norton Antibot run together without problems!

 

The questions is:

Is our PC with additional Norton Antibot better protected than it is only with NIS 2009???

 

I can't help the feeling  you try to avoid answering this question at any price.

I guess the answer is “Yes” if you’re using 64-bit, as NIS2009 on this platform does not have SONAR, which blocks botnets.
If you’re using a 32-bit platform, then NIS2009 does have SONAR.

But the question remains, is SONAR more effective at blocking bots than AntiBot.

Hello Quimby79,

 

Sorry about the frustration. I was not intentionally avoiding the question.

 

Of course you could add additional protection to keep yourself more secure and protected - adding an additional layer of protection.

 

Similar to keeping warm in the winter by adding additional layers of clothing for extra warmth, you could keep adding layers of protection (if they are compatible) to your computer to keep it more protected.

 

Some of the features may be redundant, but you would have two layers of Bot Protection if you installed both products.

 

I hope this answers your question. If not, please let me know.

  

 

OK. Thank you for your answer.
Maybe I reacted a little to harsh. :wink:

Still don't really understand this statement:

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Good news! The protection you find in Norton AntiBot is now included into Norton 2009 products. Furthermore, Norton 2009 products have been tested against Norton AntiBot and found superior in anti-malware threat detection and remediation. You do not need to install both, and we recommend that you uninstall Norton AntiBot from your computer before installing your Norton 2009 product. If you still would like to continue to use Norton AntiBot, you can reinstall it after you install your Norton 2009 product. Please be sure that you have your Norton AntiBot Product Key handy before uninstalling.



But well...
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Tim_Lopez wrote:

Hello Quimby79,

 

Sorry about the frustration. I was not intentionally avoiding the question.

 

Of course you could add additional protection to keep yourself more secure and protected - adding an additional layer of protection.

 

Similar to keeping warm in the winter by adding additional layers of clothing for extra warmth, you could keep adding layers of protection (if they are compatible) to your computer to keep it more protected.

 

Some of the features may be redundant, but you would have two layers of Bot Protection if you installed both products.

 

I hope this answers your question. If not, please let me know. 

 


I'm still don't think this is a real answer to a simple question. It has some vague references, like: "Some of the features may be redundant, but you would have two layers of Bot Protection if you installed both products." I find this sentence not a clear, and also note the word "may".... It's my understanding that under 64-bit Windows, AntiBot can replace the missing SONAR feature without to much redundancy. But under 32-bit Windows, how redundant is AntiBot? Sure an extra layer of protection is nice, but if that extra layer is redundant security, like in the sense that SONAR does the same thing in the same way as AntiBot does, then there's really no point in adding AntiBot. Also some people of Symantec say that AntiBot is completely unnecessary and therefor redundant to install on 32-bit systems with NIS2009, while other people from Symantec say that there is some redundant functionality but AntiBot does provide extra security because it does extra things that SONAR doesn't. In short, how much of AntiBot is implemented in SONAR?  

Message Edited by denniz on 09-11-2008 03:58 PM

Yes, it's not really clear.

Fact is, Norton 2008 was sold TOGETHER with Antibot, while NIS 2009 is not.


If NIS 2009 without Antibot wouldshow to be less secure than NIS 2008 with Antibot many customers would feel, well, I guess you know what I want to say...

Message Edited by Quimby79 on 09-11-2008 07:19 AM
Message Edited by Quimby79 on 09-11-2008 07:19 AM

Hehe,

 

Also, this thread brings another question to the table: http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=other&message.id=4795&jump=true#M4795

hi guys, sorry for the delay in replying to this thread. we’ve been slammed with launch activities over here and many of us are on the road right now (greetings from Tokyo!) this one is a classic “good news, bad news” story.

i’ll start with the good news. we’ve been tuning our behavioral protection with SONAR throughout our development cycle and truthfully did not think we would get as far as we did with the 2009 products. when we tested the 2009 protection capabilities versus NAB, we were pleasantly surprised when the 2 finished very close to one another in terms of effectiveness. so we tested them again to make sure. same results, with a slight advantage for the 09 products again in a subsequent test. note that this was with intrusion prevention turned off, which would have blocked all of the threats from penetrating the system (and thus would not have exercised SONAR vs. NAB, making the test pretty irrelevant). as i mentioned in a previous post, we did not simply roll NAB into the 09 products, so it was always a bit uncertain how the 2 would compare since they are using similar yet distinct techniques.

now for the bad news. late in the beta cycle we discovered an issue with Norton AntiBot and the 2009 products (NAV and NIS) whereby there were conflicts during uninstall when both coexisted on the same system. while both may run fine on your PC, we take these issues very seriously and considered our options.  given this scenario and how late we were in the development cycle (almost at the end of beta), we elected to block install of NIS over NAB until a proper fix could be released.

further, given the progress we have made with the 2009 products we felt that the behavioral capabilities of the newly expanded SONAR were strong enough such that NAB was not necessary alongside NAV/NIS 09. we did, however, still want to release a fix for NAB and allow NAB users to continue to use the s/w if they wanted to. this is what we’re working on now.

one caveat to this is 64 bit-- we should have been more clear about this previously but SONAR has not yet been ported to 64 bit yet as some of you have noted. we’re working on this but until we complete the port to 64 bit using NAB in conjunction with the 09 products does continue to provide a strong, additional layer of behavioral protection. we’re in the process of updating the KB article on this topic and I apologize for any confusion.

i’m about to hop on a plane back home so tony or matt may reply for me in my absence if you have any comments or questions. hope this helps, --dave

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