Norton Continues To Demand We Install Browser Extensions

System Information

  • Norton product name and version:  Norton LifeLock.  Version number not readily available.  Updater says it is current.

  • Operating system:  Windows 10 Pro, Chrome current version, updated.

  • Norton error message / error code / screen shotPop-up messages of various forms, all warning of a threat and asking me to enable my browser security.  .
  • Steps to reproduce issue:  Just sit and wait for it.  Sometimes, within minutes or hours of denying the update and asking never to be reminded a notice will pop up again.  Sometimes clicking a link will bring up a Norton Web page advising of the "problem".

Problem

Norton has been an excellent product and a trusted friend for many years.  It is low maintenance, low overhead, and it works.  Updates also go smoothly.  Many years ago that was not the case but the product is excellent in its present form.  I have deployed it many places and I use it myself.

Norton has one major problem.  It repeatedly pops up notices warning of the dire consequences of not installing their browser extensions.  The reply to never notify me again is never honored and sometimes within a few  minutes or hours it will be back.  What part of, "Never remind me until hell freezes over" do you not understand?  Sometimes, when I click a link, a Norton Web page opens with dire warnings about not installing those extensions.

These extensions are not necessary.  The techniques to coerce users into installing them are nothing but fear tactics.  A red icon and wording that full protection is not working instills fear.  Pop-up notices and Web pages with dire warnings instill fear.  For Norton to use fear to comply with their wishes is unconscionable.  The irony is that I am paying Norton to keep my computer safe while having to defend my computer from Norton.  

Help Requested

Has anyone found a way to eliminate the pop-up notices and Web page linking? 

Tech Support is about useless.  They act as if they have never heard of this and they request screen shots.  Whatever you tell them or furnish them, the recommended fix is to install the extensions and then to disable them and that is unacceptable.  

Now, that runs contrary to common sense.  Once the software is install, even if it is supposedly dormant it can still do things in the background.  If it is malicious it can continue to compromise security.  What competent security provider would tell a user to violate security norms to prevent security problems?  

If someone has a solution then I am all ears.  This is a constant source of complaint within my user community.  Several users did install the extensions because they felt they had to since Norton had recommended doing so.

Post Log

Norton will likely derive some benefit if I were to install the extensions.  This seems like a small short-term gain that risks the long term alienation of thousands of faithful clients, many of whom help others make decisions about their Internet security protection.  

The amount of time and aggravation related to this Norton "feature" is more than I care to count.  I want Norton to be a trusted friend, not a constant source of irritation.  

My confidence in Norton, and with Symantec in general, is about zero.  As much as I do not wish to do so I will continue investigating new solutions that do not involve browser extensions.  Deploying a new security suite is not something I care to do but at this point Norton no longer seems to have my best interests at heart.  

 

I will install Safe Web but not safe Search. 

Brave looks good.  It is fast and some of the images look better than they do with Chrome.  

As has already been mentioned in this thread, install and use Norton Safe Web if you want (or not) but don't install or use Norton Safe Search.  It's not that hard.

It is not exactly paranoia, it is more like skepticism.  

Being tracked is not the end of the world, just an annoyance.  I search for something and then Facebook pops up ads for it.  It is spooky but probably harmless.  I  have an ad blocker and it works well but I am still being tracked.  

The advertisers will do anything to get "their message" before us, no matter how underhanded or annoying it is.  We users, who are tired of being bombarded with endless ads, find solutions for the problem.  It is a cat-and-mouse game.

A bigger concern for me is having a 3rd party search server present results that will benefit their company rather than results with the information I need.  Some of us do real work on the Internet.  We do not spend the day searching for "trending videos" or "special offers" or ways to earn rewards. 

 

I just use an ad blocker extension in my Chrome browser and I see little to no ads. It can interfere with some sites I frequent. Even some Norton pages do not work correctly with the ad blocker active, but I trust Norton so I disable ad blocking for their pages.

Your level of paranoia may vary from mine.

 

 

Brave gets rave reviews but it is a revenue hijacker.  It shuts out ads from the Website I visit but it substitutes ads from its own sponsors.  There are options not to view those ads or to limit them but this seems a bit sneaky.

It is not exactly hijacking the ads because it simply eliminates them.  I gather if I viewed a bunch of Web pages on my hard drive I would see the Brave ads.  But it seems a bit odd that a product that claims to eliminate ads makes its money by serving up ads.

I will gave Brave a look-see.  Thanks for letting me know about it.

I use Chrome's incognito to do some searches, mainly to avoid being tagged for advertising.  It is not very incognito, thought, because it shares its history with non-incognito Chrome.  This is not a problem for me but I bet some folks trying to hide their activities from their family may be in for a surprise some day.  

I have found a great way to avoid paywalls:  I don't visit their sites.  The New York Times and the Washington Post often have articles I would like to read but I can usually find them elsewhere.  Many of these sites are so loaded with advertising they are useless anyway, with videos playing in the background that jump and scroll to keep within view, not to mention the sign-up offers and requests to take a survey.  

Any recommendations on a good VPN service, paid or free?

 

 

If you want more privacy or anonymity, you might want to try using the Brave browser.

Brave

It's also great for getting around most paywalls.

Norton Safe Web extension supports Search results annotation for Google/Yahoo/Bing on Chrome browser alone.

For Firefox/Edge/Safari browsers, we don't offer the search annotation on Google/Yahoo/Bing, but our extension will continue to offer below features on Firefox/Edge/Safari.

 1. Protection from Sites with threats

 2. Antiphishing protection

https://community.norton.com/en/comment/8020841#comment-8020841 

Note: Safe Web from Chrome Web Store runs on new Edge - offers search results annotations for Google/Yahoo/Bing on new Edge. 

You are correct, that Norton is aimed at home and small business users.  You are also correct that any filter system must go through a 3rd party server. 

My problem with search re-direction is that is done to capitalize on the hits and that they may prejudice the results.  While I may choose to use Google to search, and while Google may receive benefit if it links me to a site, in this case the 3rd party site would appear to reap the benefit of Google's labors.

A few years ago Bing was more blatant about their search results.  If you bought products from a site where they directed you then you could collect points and earn rewards.  I suspect their search results were not very subjective.   

I may try the extensions on a sacrificial lamb and see how things work.  I still have my hesitations about the search product.  

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BackupBob:  So it would appear that Norton is still working hard to coerce people to use their search product but allows them to "snooze" the reminders so they do not pop up often. 

Well, I may have mentioned.  I only run Norton Safe Web extension.   I do not run Norton Safe Search.  
Have you experienced Norton Safe Web Banking Protection - Isolation Mode.  Have you experienced Safe Web Link Guard.  Have you experienced Safe Web block access to malicious websites - downloads. 

I think we're having a useful discussion.  I think I hear BackupBob lacks trust regarding (some) NortonLifeLock practices.   I hear ya'.    

I imagine "bad news" may be that most browser extensions that are designed to block access to harmful websites work by sending the visited website to a cloud server, where it’s verified by matching the URL against a database of known malicious sites. These extensions can potentially see and track all of your online web browsing activity.

Modern browsers have built in protections from malicious sites and downloads.   
By my experience.  Norton 360 runs if users choose not to run Norton browser extension/s.

IMO Norton 360 features are marketed - aimed at - intended for home users.   
Norton 360 may not satisfy all users, all the time. 

BackupBob: My confidence in Norton, and with Symantec in general, is about zero.  As much as I do not wish to do so I will continue investigating new solutions that do not involve browser extensions.  Deploying a new security suite is not something I care to do but at this point Norton no longer seems to have my best interests at heart.  

I hear ya'. 

So it would appear that Norton is still working hard to coerce people to use their search product but allows them to "snooze" the reminders so they do not pop up often. 

That is still a problem.  A third party search introduces extra servers and therefore slowing down return of the results.  Plus, it means that Norton has control over what I can see.  I like the idea of flagging phishing sites but I do not like the idea of potentially censoring my results. 

Since that re-direction is being done for marketing purposes I would have to question whether I was receiving all of the information that was potentially available.  I have no idea how reputable their search engine is.  I note that outside of the US it is still Ask.  

So we are not back to square one but we are possibly at square two or three.  Given that I will likely see nags for the search extensions I am still reluctant to use Norton's new product.  I  hope you understand that while everything may be fine now, based on my past experiences I am reluctant to trust them.  

Any other insights you can offer to help keep me within the fold will be appreciated.  As for the "optional" search re-directions, that is not going to happen.

 

 

 

.....if users choose not to use the Norton Safe Web browser extension....users may snooze or disable the red state warning to get back to the green state....

Because the Norton Safe Web browser extension is so important to helping protect your web browsing, we have a notification in red for current customers with device security, saying to enable it.

While we want all users to use the extension, we have added the ability to snooze or disable the red state warning to get back to the green state, even if you choose not to use the Norton Safe Web browser extension.

https://us.norton.com/feature/safe-web 

Yes,...at some frequency and with Norton version number update.
NortonLifeLock will/may prompt you to install their extensions.  

I run Norton Safe Web and from time to time .....Norton prompts me to install Norton extensions. 
Just Norton being Norton. 

I have Special Offer Notifications On and never get Special Offer Notifications.
Just Norton being Norton. 

Thanks for the very comprehensive feedback.  

It looks as if Safe Web is something entirely different from the Safe Search.  The fine print about Ask that you quoted is exactly why I wanted no part of it. 

If the new extensions do not force search through a 3rd party outfit such as Ask then it may be acceptable.  It is unfortunate that Norton was so cagey about the nag screen problem, including refusing to acknowledge there was one at all.  I will give this another look-see.  I really did not want to change Internet suites.  

 

 

FWIW ~ last time I looked - I do not run Norton Safe Search

Norton Safe Search web page
https://search.norton.com/

About Norton Safe Search
https://us.norton.com/safe-search

About the Norton Safe Search Privacy Policy
https://nortonsafe.search.ask.com/docs/privacy


Add the Norton browser extensions
https://support.norton.com/sp/en/us/home/current/solutions/v117744069


Norton Safe Web extension supports Search results annotation for Google/Yahoo/Bing on Chrome browser alone.

For Firefox/Edge/Safari browsers, we don't offer the search annotation on Google/Yahoo/Bing, but our extension will continue to offer below features on Firefox/Edge/Safari.

 1. Protection from Sites with threats

 2. Antiphishing protection

etc

https://community.norton.com/en/comment/8020841#comment-8020841 

FWIW ~ last time I looked - I do not run Norton Safe Search

Norton Safe Search - Firefox extension - Yahoo Search Powered by Bing™

Norton Safe Search - Chrome extension -  Ask Partner Network, part of IAC Search & Media, Inc

Both Yahoo and Ask.com are third-party vendors for Norton Safe Web and Norton Safe Search.  If you read the fine print of the Norton Product and Service Privacy Notice at https://www.symantec.com/privacy/norton-privacy-english, the Data Collection section for Norton Safe Search / Norton Home Page / Norton Safe Web states in part:

... The user’s search query requests made through our Norton Safe Search product will be directed to our Third-Party Search Partners Oath/Yahoo! (for US and Canada) and IACI (for non-US/Canada) in order for the query research to be delivered to you. Our Third-Party Partners may also collect information directly from you pursuant to your activity on Norton Safe Search ...

InterActiveCorp (IAC) is the American holding company that owns Ask.com (the search partner used outside the US and Canada) and IACI is the stock ticker for that company.

Note: symantec.com privacy page changed since Posted: 31-Jul-2019
https://community.norton.com/en/comment/8182521#comment-8182521 


Norton Safe Search Privacy - Firefox extension - Verizon Media
https://www.verizonmedia.com/policies/us/en/verizonmedia/privacy/products/searchservices/index.html

Norton Safe Search Terms - Firefox extension - Verizon Media
https://www.verizonmedia.com/policies/us/en/verizonmedia/terms/otos/index.html


Privacy - Ask
https://nortonsafe.search.ask.com/docs/privacy

Terms - Ask
https://about.ask.com/terms-of-service

No question, BackupBob is confusing Norton Safe Web with Norton Safe Search (which is their browser).

The old Ask Jeeves 

As I pasted earlier, on June 4th, from their FAQs:

Will this extension modify my default search engine?

No, the Norton Safe Web extension does not modify your search engine preference. We do have a separate extension called Norton Safe Search that does send you to our customized search engine.

BackupBob:

 For example, is this still the Ask toolbar [...]

I run Norton Safe Web browser extension.  I've not seen Ask toolbar.  
Maybe, you're thinking Norton Safe Search browser extension. 
Maybe, you're thinking Norton Safe Search web page. 

If you cannot share any bad news I do not believe I can trust anything else you have to say.

I hear ya'.....BackupBob does not trust me. 
NortonLifeLock may not satisfy all users, all the time. 

Thanks for the link.  It is very informative.

Perhaps this is not as bad as it seems, but I have no way of really knowing the truth.  For example, is this still the Ask toolbar or  has Norton done something on their own?  What will this do to my search capabilities, to my home page, and to my histories?

Perhaps someone at Norton needs to hop in here and explain what these extensions really are, and not furnish a simple official corporate explanation that has been vetted by marketing and a legal staff.  If Norton has not noticed there is quite a bit of distrust here, in large part because the nags to install the extensions never go away.  

So, are there any Norton people who can tell us the truth about these extensions?  What are their benefits?  What are their drawbacks?  If you cannot share any bad news I do not believe I can trust anything else you have to say.

BackupBob:

If Norton is moving their protection to the Web using browser extensions then it will not be a useful product any more. 

Whether you have the Norton Safe Web browser extension installed and active or not, if you have a Norton Device Security solution installed on your device, you are already receiving multiple layers of protection against a wide variety of cyberthreats.

Installing the Norton Safe Web extension gives you even more protection by enabling you to take advantage of the new features described above.

https://us.norton.com/feature/safe-web