Use MS Security Essentials with NIS for XP Protection?

With the demise of XP support April 8th, 2014, I've been reading a lot about MS Security Essentials (SE). Several Web pages say it might help to run it (SE), along with NIS too.

 

What say ye, esteemed Forum members? Is there any way to install SE, and/or configure NIS, to make them "play-well" together?

 

Tks for any help.

Tks for reply,  Send.

 

Yes, I've heard that. Still...some people say it can work. Hell, I'm dead if I do, dead if I don't -- with XP.

 

Don't want to upgrade to a new computer -- esp right now. (A very, very full plate for me  -- plus I think I hate Win 8, and maybe would like Win 9.)

 

May just try it as a "guinea pig," and report back on my experiences.

Well, I know that in the past, running MSE alongside Norton caused a complete loss of internet connectivity.  That would certainly keep XP safer!! 

Whatever works. <VBG>

Do so at your own risk!

 

I would instead suggest you install Secunia PSI to help keep third party programs are patched and consider installing Microsoft's free security tool EMET, which I have just installed on my W7 machines and is working flawlessly.

Hi Robby,

 

In addition to what suggested by Krusty13, a good alternative would be to install a software such Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (FREE Edition) as a passive scanner for your on-demand scans, this would avoid any conflict with NIS.

 

Sandro

Krusty, my "whatever works" was an attempt at humour regarding "Send's" loss of connectivity will keep my computer safe, comment.

 

And, on your other suggestions -- those seem quite worthwhile. I'll certainly give it some thought.

Tks for the tip, Sandro.

 

I have used MBAM in the past. It might have gotten rid of a root-kit I suspected on my system for a *long* time -- one that NIS could never find.

 

But...that MBAM scan may also have damaged my computer, some. It did not work right for quite a while. I've heard that MBAM is very "aggressive." Sometimes it takes that though, to get the job done, I guess.

 

Yet, none of this is going to give me "real-time" protection. That is what I want mostly. NIS does a very good job, though it has let in a *lot* of malware on my computer, in the past. Some pretty bad stuff.

 

And now, with XP being so vulnerable, I'm quite concerned of really bad things happening.

 

Appreciate all the help, folks.

Hi, Robby. What the others have suggested is good advice.

 

Keeping Norton on your computer will still give you heuristic protection, especially with the firewall in place.

 

Fwiw, M/S Security Essentials routinely does badly in protection comparisons.

Tks Fender, yes -- guess I'll give-up on the MS-SE angle. Lean more toward MBAM. Yet, the Forum here has problems using that concurrently with NIS, too. What to do.

As long as you use the Free version of MBytes, you'll have no problems with it, and NIS.

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                                                               I have both on my system, without problems and like the added protection

OK, F4E and dick -- I'll go with MBAM.

 

Yet...the free version was not the one which worked in detecting and deleting that (maybe) root-kit that no one else (including NIS) could find. The one that worked was the trial version of MBAM Pro. I think. Was several months ago, and memory is a bit fuzzy. (But, yes? see text below.)

 

And still, as I mentioned, after MBAM did its work, my computer was a mess for several days. Windows wouldn't even boot correctly, as I recall -- until I did so in Safe Mode. (Yes, see text below.)

 

Here, I found my old posts on this, back in late December 2013 and early January, 2014. Some text from that (and a link to this thread).( Quoted text, below, is about mid-way down the linked page.)

 

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"But, as it turned out, I think I (fortuitously) actually used the Pro version of MBAM (14-day free trial). I'd used the free (non-Pro) one in the past and it didn't find anything significant."

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"And indeed, for several days after using MBAM, I had computer problems. System would just  hang. Only way to get out was "Power-Button" off for 8-seconds. That screws-up my GHOST recovery point. Have to then redo GHOST (80-minutes, each time). Also, completely lost my screen -- several times. Totally black. Again, required a bunch of things to get this back -- starting Windows in Safe Mode, then restarting in regular mode. Strange.

 

So, after a few days of this I uninstalled MBAM Pro trial version. So far, no more "hangs."

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http://community.norton.com/t5/Norton-Internet-Security-Norton/WS-Reputation-1-from-different-websites/m-p/1070513#M251236

 

So...I'm kinda back to "zero" on all this. Don't know quite what to do.


Robby wrote:

 

So, after a few days of this I uninstalled MBAM Pro trial version. So far, no more "hangs."

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Those "hangs" may of been because you were using the Pro version?

Maybe so, Krusty. But, the "direct" reasons for the hangs and black screens seemed to be b/c of the "extraction" MBAM Pro did when it pulled-out that root kit. Not sure though. Coulda just been the installation of Pro, in total.

Robby,

 

Either way, both the Pro and Free versions use the same definitions, so the only differences are Pro has real-time protection (which could interfere with Norton), automatic updates and you can schedule scans and run Flash Scans.  The  free version is updated manually and you can't schedule scans.

 

FYI,  I am thinking about buying a life time license to the Pro version just to schedule scans.  When MBAM 2 is released there will no longer be life time licenses, you'll need to pay a subscription each year.

Tks Krusty, good advice.

 

Maybe that is the thing to do -- get that lifetime license. I'll have to check on the price. Budget's kinda tight right now.

 

But...I was impressed by how MBAM found that (maybe) root-kit which had been tormenting me for so many years. And nothing else at all could find it.

 

Like you say, just use it for scheduled scans (mostly). Still...I wonder if the Pro version somehow, maybe has "more" in it than the free, standard version. In any case, with the XP scare going on, might be a worthy addition to our protection.

 

Appreciate all your help.

OK, Krusty -- I bought the lifetime MBAM Pro license. Only $25. Not bad.

 

Have d-l'd it but not installed yet. Want to have it so there is no conflict with NIS.

 

If you have a moment, could you point me in the right direction on this, for how to use MBAM Pro just for "on demand" scans?

 

Tks.


Robby wrote:

OK, Krusty -- I bought the lifetime MBAM Pro license. Only $25. Not bad.

 

Have d-l'd it but not installed yet. Want to have it so there is no conflict with NIS.

 

If you have a moment, could you point me in the right direction on this, for how to use MBAM Pro just for "on demand" scans?

 

Tks.


Robby,

 

To disable the real-time protection in MBAM, uncheck the following boxes in the "Protection" tab:

 

- Enable filesystem protection

- Enable malicious website blocking

- Start protection module with Windows

- Start malicious website blocking when protection module starts

 

Or you can just uncheck the "Start protection module with Windows" box so Windows won't launch MBAM at PC restart / bootup.

 

I have that box unchecked since I have a script that will launch MBAM about 45 seconds after a restart / boot.  I do that to obtain a faster bootup time.  It also eliminates issues with some PC's that will take a longer time to boot to the Desktop with MBAM Pro enabled.

 

You may want to consider leaving the "Flash Scan" option enabled.  This will run a flash scan when MBAM auto-updates, depending on the user's frequency choice in the "Scheduler" section.

 

I like the Flash Scan since it will detect PUP's automatically during the scan.

 

I have my frequency set at 55 minutes, the longest time allowed.

 

To run an on-demand scan, in the "Scanner" tab, select the type of scan desired.  MBAM recommends the "Quick" scan.  I have that one scheduled to run unattended overnight.

 

A "Full Scan" isn't generally recommended on a routine basis as the Quick Scan will scan the areas where potential malicious intrustions typically reside.

 

I used to run overnight Full Scans but switched to Quick Scans a few months ago.

 

I've been running Pro (realtime) for about 1½ years on 2 Win 7 x64 PC's (both with Norton 360 2013 ver) without issues.

 

My Pro scanner blocked one of my frequent-visit websites yesterday that had a variant of the "goon.exploit" presence at the site.  I contacted MBAM and the block was legit (not a false-positive).

With the demise of XP support April 8th, 2014, I've been reading a lot about MS Security Essentials (SE). Several Web pages say it might help to run it (SE), along with NIS too.

 

What say ye, esteemed Forum members? Is there any way to install SE, and/or configure NIS, to make them "play-well" together?

 

Tks for any help.