boneidle:
A question if you don't mind. Are you running the XP inside Win 7 as a virtual? If so, does one installation of NIS or other handle both systems as one? I don't think we have seen anyone on the forum taking advantage of that capability so far, unless I missed it completely. Always a possibility.
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delphinium
My first impression is that it needs a seperate loading of Norton.
Soon as I open it up in XP Mode/Virtual PC, it tells me I have no Anti-Virus Protection.
Image below. this was taken after opening it up while Windows 7 was still loaded.
Anyway it's late, so will look at it tomorrow.
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boneidle:
A question if you don't mind. Are you running the XP inside Win 7 as a virtual? If so, does one installation of NIS or other handle both systems as one? I don't think we have seen anyone on the forum taking advantage of that capability so far, unless I missed it completely. Always a possibility.
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Thanks very much for the information. I have Home Premium so not able to experiment myself. I may upgrade to Pro at some time in the future, so it would be good to know the rules.
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delphinium
Ref norton and Win7/virtual PC
Had to put seperate Norton on to get it secure
As NIS2010 was on Win 7, I put N360 v4 Beta on the XP Mode to see if there were any conflicts.
None so far.
Don't know if Norton have or want to look at this Virtual thing, as you can still use Win 7 while XP Mode still open, so why not One Norton prog.
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I think that is a very good question, and one that will need to be answered as more people switch over from XP to a Win 7 Pro/Virtual XP. That was one of the biggest marketing pushes by Microsoft to allow people to still use the XP with specific programs. There are likely to be a lot of complaints because of the need for two subscriptions.
Thanks very much for all you have done.
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I have asked the Mods to split this discussion from the ranks thread so Yaso doesn't get after me for hijacking 
and because I think it is going to be of more and more interest on its own as time goes on. No idea where they are going to put it, though. Sorry Mods.
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delphinium
Perhaps a Moderator could move the last few messages to a Forum, or thread, of their own.
Yes, there are bound to be more trying this as time go on, especially those who dont like multi partitions/ drives.
With ref. to the two subscriptions, as they're on same PC, would it count as only one.
As I've used up all 3 activations allowed for my NIS 2010, on 3 diff. pc's, I will uninstall the 360 beta from the XP_Mode, and try to get the NIS 2010 on there .( the same one that is on the Win 7.)
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Sorry, you beat me to it, just sasw your last message.
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All,
LanaK had posted a message regarding this on the Windows 7 Compatibility Beta we had last year. Here is her message (since the board is not available anymore):
Hi there, you may have heard that there will be an available component for download to Win7 Pro and Ultimate SMB users, that allows you to run a separate, virtual XP environment.
While there is additional testing that needs to occur, here’s what we know now:
As of now we are not planning to officially support XP mode in Win7, but preliminary testing shows that everything works as expected.
Hope this helps,
Lana
Hope this helps answer your questions.
Just as it says in Tim's (LanaK's) post
Couldn't avtivate the Nis 2010, no lives left. Just got 15 days to try it.
No problem going from N360 to NIS, uninstall, 2 x NRT, reinstall, plus restarts.
It only restarts the Virtual PC/XP Mode, not the whole PC,
So that's one thing in it's favour.
Pity about the activation, won't be buying a new key for what's on the face of it, only half a m/c
delph,
If you want a test bed you may still be able to download Windows 7 Enterprise 90 day trial version from technet without being a paying subscriber -- log yourself in with a Windows Live™ ID (which I already had and IIRC was simple to get) and if you meet the "qualification" (technical enthusiast" is probably not enough but I reckon most of us are IT specialists or managers .....) you can get the 32 bit or the 64 bit ... or both.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/cc442495.aspx?ITPID=wtcnav
You end up with an ISO file to burn to a DVD (or even put on a thumbdrive if you know the trick).
It worked for me.
boneidle wrote:
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Pity about the activation, won't be buying a new key for what's on the face of it, only half a m/c
If you're in the USA/CAN one of the stores is offering a single PC NIS 2010 at $9.99 after $40 rebates starting Sunday -- check the weekend flyers -- and if there's a user's upgrade rebate form inside and you get $20 back you'll end up in pocket. But $10 for an extra installation might be worth having up your sleeve ....
Very good to know to Huwyngr. It's pretty hard to anticipate that kind of a deal being available on an annual basis though. If not, it still uses up licences at an alarming rate. If even one person in a three computer family runs the virtualization, you get bumped to a five licence pack, or as you say, purchase one extra licence.
delphinium wrote:Very good to know to Huwyngr. It's pretty hard to anticipate that kind of a deal being available on an annual basis though. If not, it still uses up licences at an alarming rate. If even one person in a three computer family runs the virtualization, you get bumped to a five licence pack, or as you say, purchase one extra licence.
Well since I started using Norton products back in WIN 95/98 days I think there has always been an upgraders rebate (I still have a large assortment of discs and manual front pages in case I ever needed them <g>) and I suspect that these ultra low special deals will go on since they must help sell the product which is what it is all about.
And depending on what is offered 2 x 3 pack might be cheaper than 1 x 5 pack which averages about $20 a PC I think.
huwyngr
Thanks for your message, will bear it in mind.
But, for me, it's not the money.
There are others around the world, who may not be able to get such an offer.
Some might think that they've paid for their Win 7 protection, and wouldn't expect to pay again, for what some might consider to be,just a Windows 7 Add-on.
At least we get a straight answer. I phoned a couple of likely competitors to find out the score. One adivised me, after a four minute wait on hold, that go ahead and try it and if it doesn't work, get another licence.
The second told me that I did not require an antivirus on the virtual O/S because it had Windows Defender and Windows Firewall. After considering this for a moment, he then advised that they weren't very good.
Nobody is running into it.
boneidle,
Fair enough although I can understand the thought that since it is running within WIN 7 (is WIN 7 actually operating or not?) then having it on WIN 7 should be enough -- like a perimter fence.
But I don't know enough about the technology since I stick to multibooting -- and so need multiple licences anyway.
I was beginning to warm to this XP_Mode, so decided to let another user give it a try.
So I logged on to another user account, went to Start, All programs, Virtual PC XP Mode.
It said I needed to set it up, so I did so.
Then, guess what, a Windows Security Alert said I had NO virus protection, same as the first logged on user.
It recommended that I install an anti-virus prog.,as did LanaK in her post.
So I needed to load up another an Norton Prog.
At this rate, with 5 user accounts, that would make a total of SIX Norton user activations, on 1 pc.
One Norton Activation per OS, is one thing, One Norton Activation per 'Logon User, is a bit over the top.
Which would mean that most of the activations would be idle most of the time.
It appears that Windows embeds the Virtual XP Mode into the User Account, and not into
Root folder of the Windows 7, which is the cause of this.
I will go through this again and see if I missed something in the initial setting up, or if there is a workround.
huwyngr
It appears Win 7 is still running as you can open XP Mode as a popup window, and go from one to the other.
After my last post, multi boot might seem to be the best thing.
boneidle wrote:huwyngr
It appears Win 7 is still running as you can open XP Mode as a popup window, and go from one to the other.
After my last post, multi boot might seem to be the best thing.
The downside to multibooting is that you have to have a spare XP licence (in theory .....) and the time to reboot.
The upside is that you don't have to buy the more expensive WIN 7 version to get the "free" XP ....
The neutral is that you need the same number of Norton Licences.
The best way is to have two computers with a KVM switch (that my cheapy does not switch audio doesn't matter to me since I don't even have the speakers plugged in or they are turned off; KVMs that switch audio do exist) It's a joy being able to switch from one OS to the other in seconds without losing any work in progress just as you can, I imagine, with Virtual Machines.
I gather from users elsewhere that there can be some problems with virtual machines running XP with hardware drivers, maybe if the WIN 7 is 64 bit?)
