New Board for Norton Safe Web

The number of queries relating to Norton Safe Web issues appear to be increasing ie web site verification and the like, 

 

Currently, these Norton Safe Web threads are being hosted on the 'Norton Internet Security / Norton AntiVirus' board. As the Norton Safe Web feature is available in other Norton products as well and now, in the free Norton Safe Web Lite product, would it be possible to create a new forum board to house the threads relating to these Norton Safe Web issues? This would ensure that the threads posted on the NIS/NAV board remain focused on issues relating to these Norton products.

Great idea, elsewhere. I agree with you :-) I'll notify the appropriate people of your suggestion.

I also suggested this quite a while ago.  Perhaps Yaso will have more success. :smileyhappy:

No success - according to the response I received, the risk of a so-called dead board is too high, meaning that there are not enough Safe Web threads to maintain a constantly thriving board. Another factor which has to be taken into account is that the Safe Web Team is always improving the verification process, so this contributes to the decline of Safe Web threads.

Sorry :-(

Thanks for trying, Yaso.

 

These threads still need to be consolidated on a board other than the NIS/NAV board though, as this board is becoming rather muddled due to the presence of all these 'Safe Web verification' threads.

 

The 'Norton Safe Web Lite' product is the stand-alone product that focuses solely on verifying the 'Safety' of a given website. Given that, the logical place to house these verification threads would be on the 'Other Norton Products' board as this would be the place that questions relating to the 'Norton Safe Web Lite' product would be listed.


elsewhere wrote:
[...] the logical place to house these verification threads would be on the 'Other Norton Products' board as this would be the place that questions relating to the 'Norton Safe Web Lite' product would be listed.

A good idea, actually; but most Safe Webbers, as I call them, post to the boards for NIS/NAV, Norton 360, and sometimes, to Forum Feedback (which is the wrong board ;-)  ). I think this is because Safe Web is also integrated into the Norton toolbar - which in turn is a feature of only NIS and Norton 360, to my knowledge.

 

There is a new 'Norton Safe Web Lite' product available, for free, here. This product is a dedicated 'Safe Web only' product, which is why I'm suggesting that all 'Safe Web' verification threads now belong on the 'Other Norton Products' board.

Today, at this moment in time, we have 13 Safe Web issues out of 30 threads on the board.  At least according to my threads per page preferences.  Nearly half and going to get worse, I would guess.

 


elsewhere wrote:

There is a new 'Norton Safe Web Lite' product available, for free, here. This product is a dedicated 'Safe Web only' product, which is why I'm suggesting that all 'Safe Web' verification threads now belong on the 'Other Norton Products' board.


I have to agree with the reasoning here.  It would be nice to keep the other boards clean and dedicated to the respective products they should have.  Or, even better, move all Safe web requests and the Safe Web Lite product threads to their own Board.

 

It appears that Forum Administrator Tony Weiss also agrees with our reasoning here as well, as per this Verification thread shift from the 'Tech Outpost' board to the 'Other Norton Products' board (pictured below): :smileywink:

 

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 Seriously though, Tony, if you agree that these 'Verification' posts belong on the 'Other Norton Products' board, then please ensure that you allow/provide feedback accordingly.

Edit for clarity as I've missed the 'Edit Post' window:

 

"Seriously though, Tony, if you agree that these 'Verification' posts belong on the 'Other Norton Products' board, then please ensure that you allow/provide feedback to the other Forum moderators so that they can move these threads to the Other board accordingly."

They might be there because Other Norton Products is the home for the COMCAST subset of Norton 360 and so maybe it concerns users of that product?

Sorry for the confusion. I moved the thread to the OTHER board because it wasn't clear with which product the user was seeing this issue. Since this topic was clearly on the wrong board as it dealt with Symantec/Norton software, I moved it to my "default UNKNOWN" location, which is the OTHER board. Had the customer specified a product, I would have moved it to that board. Thanks!


Tony_Weiss wrote:

 

Sorry for the confusion. I moved the thread to the OTHER board because it wasn't clear with which product the user was seeing this issue. Since this topic was clearly on the wrong board as it dealt with Symantec/Norton software, I moved it to my "default UNKNOWN" location, which is the OTHER board. Had the customer specified a product, I would have moved it to that board. Thanks!


It's important to make the distinction here that the 'verification assistance posts' being posted by these Norton Community users is that, typically they are not your customers.

 

They are simply web page owner's seeking to get a valid Safe Web rating. For whatever reason, they have become aware of the Norton Safe Web rating service, from which they may perceive that their site stands at a disadvantage if their site is marked with a 'grey'  Norton Safe Web 'Untested' question mark when compared against a competitor's 'green' Norton Safe Web 'Safe' check mark.

 

There isn't any Norton Product involved here; these posters have arrived at this Forum courtesy of the site owner's link. Asking them to search on 'verification' is clearly ridiculous as these poster's will inevitably require individual assistance specific to their particular web site:

 

"Norton Community Reference information

 

There is much good information available on the Norton Community site at:

http://community.norton.com/norton

 

For example, go to the site, and type “verification” in the Community search box (upper left corner). It returns with multiple postings of useful reference information"

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Hence, the request for a new board to assist with the resolution of these threads. If that's not possible, then the 'Safe Web Lite' product's positioning takes the 'lowest common denominator' crown here in terms of  classification, resulting in these threads being routed to the Other Norton Products' board by default.

 

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

elsewhere

 

 

 

I agree in general, that the reporting customer may not have Norton software installed (and it's certainly not necessary for them to have it installed, though we prefer it :smileywink:). However someone MUST be our customer in order to see the site verification issue. Whether it's the poster or a customer of the poster, without the software being installed there is no issue being seen. However, our reasons for not creating a separate board for them are separate and involved.

 

There are certainly reasons to create a new board, and I can see how your reasons are valid ones. Without all of the information about the site verification issues, I can see how it would make a lot of sense. Additionally, I'd agree with your assessment, were it not for the below factors in board creation. Please allow me to elucidate:

 

Reasons to create a new board:

1) Many issues on a subject scattered throughout forums, generating confusion or frustration for experienced forum users

2) The board subject will continue to experience a high & growing rate of threads/post/interest

3) The board subject is something we want to promote and encourage a higher rate of posting

 

For #1, I think you're hitting the nail right on the head -- Safe Web Ownership authentication issues have increased dramatically. At the same time, the issues are scattered on different boards, with different subjects. Sure, we try to tag every one of them with a specific tag to make them easy to find, and that has helped. But it's not perfect. I completely understand, and I completely agree with how frustrating it is. This is a compelling argument, but it's not the only reason to create a new board.

 

#2 is a critical issue against creating a new board for these threads. There are some issues with ownership verification, and that will hopefully be resolved soon. Once it's resolved for the majority of users with the problem, the board traffic dies, leaving the proposed new board as a Ghost Town. Any users experiencing these issues, rare that they might be, would be reluctant to post to a board with very little traffic. This isn't conjecture, this is human factors engineering. It's been studied.

 

It can be argued that #3 is really more of a concern for "enthusiast" type boards, as opposed to "support" type of boards. However, I think for #3 there needs to be a balance between what customers want to discuss, and what we want to promote. And as you've seen often, we keep a lot of threads available that are sore subjects for us, but getting answers to them are a priority to our customers. I think we do a good job of maintaining that balance.

 

Your other point, about moving them to the OTHER board, maybe be an alternative I consider after the update is released. I'd like to give it a chance to work its "magic" and help most of the threads first.

 

And another point (I know, a long message for a Sunday), it would be incredibly easy for me to create a new board and move the site verification issues to that board. A few simple clicks, done. I wouldn't need special permissions or approvals, just a few minutes and it's done. The difficult part is analyzing what has happened in the past (site verification issues on the NIS & N360 boards), working on resolving the issues now (creating better processes and adjusting to major issues experienced by customers), and trying to predict what happens in the future.

 

I can completely empathize how difficult things are in the present; we have worked closely with the team over the past several months, and they are painfully aware of the reported issues. With updates coming soon, my job is to look to the future and try to make the best decisions now to ensure things run smoothly going forward. Unfortunately, I can't share dates since schedules sometimes shift. When I get some more solid information on the update, I will share it. And as I've said before, this isn't a 100% "no new board ever" situation. It's a very 51/49% situation, where those 3 points above must be balanced. My job is to evaluate that balance and make good long-term decisions. I hope this clarifies the situation. I invite any questions you may have about this issue.

I am curious as to why, when there is a functional SafeWeb site, where an account must be built, applications are presented there, and instructions for appeals, the SafeWeb team do not handle these issues in what might be a more appropriate venue, where all the same clients have all the same issues and interests?

 

 

Hmmm.  Tony did say that he invited questions.  Nowhere do I see any guarantee of an answer. :smileyvery-happy::smileyvery-happy:

Tony's on vacation, but that still doesn't mean he would have a response. :smileywink:

 

I don't know how much I can say, but I will say that I expect changes to be made within the new few weeks that I hope will ease some of the SafeWeb burden off of the forums. *crosses fingers*

Thanks Dave_Coleman.  It will be interesting to see what any change might bring.


Tony_Weiss wrote:

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#2 is a critical issue against creating a new board for these threads. There are some issues with ownership verification, and that will hopefully be resolved soon. Once it's resolved for the majority of users with the problem, the board traffic dies, leaving the proposed new board as a Ghost Town. Any users experiencing these issues, rare that they might be, would be reluctant to post to a board with very little traffic. This isn't conjecture, this is human factors engineering. It's been studied.

 

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Isn't this a situation where creating a transient board may potentially be a viable alternative (boards similar to those used for the Public Beta testing)?