Tracking thread for the new version 25.xx release

I’m on version 25.xx, but there are insufferable issues (Copied/Edited from 24.xx thread)

  • Every few seconds, randomly, the mouse cursor will turn to “background busy”. It is very distracting. Since the cursor is changing so often, it’s beyond irritating as it prevents you from quietly reading a webpage
  • Worse: Norton will steal the main window focus in a very visible way ! That is breaking the flow of your activities, and letting you make mistakes. This happens randomly every 10-20 minutes.
  • EDIT: v25.xx also caused long delays when right-clicking some file types, with the context menu taking ~2s to open. This is confirmed; with the old version re-installed (v22), the context menus behave as they should.

Yes, I am certain it’s Norton since I checked several times with traces, process explorer and other tools. The Windows Performance Analyser clearly shows a small peak with Norton as a source each time one of these issues occur.

This is totally unacceptable.

I’m a long-time client, but the change to v24 and these issues (that never occurred before) are the last straw.

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Hello! Is it a mandatory step to reset the smart firewall after disabling netBIOS? I am asking because of custom rules and settings that will be deleted by the reset. The UDP messages disappeared in my case without the reset.

Hello @BerndB
I opted Restore default settings and Clear History…as I recall…at the time…to confirm & present clearer screenshots as evidence that UDP messages had stopped. Yes, the UDP messages stopped, as I recall, without reset to default configuration.

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All: Adding another thread link here for Norton to follow up with. Major issues for this customer on both Windows 10 and 11.

@Gayathri_R Please forward to the appropriate team for action.

SA

I’ve been reading some of the discussion about version V24 and V25 on these threads, and the writing on the wall is really, really, clear. Sure, the new version looks a bit sleeker at first, but underneath, it’s scolding tar. Just look at how long this thread has gotten. At this point, it really feels like we’re all beta testing something that should’ve been finished months ago.

I would like to express my list of grievances with this version of Norton. The issues with this version are simply too numerous to give an entire run-down. I notice quite a lot of us are having Norton firewall and network issues. Although right now my biggest frustrations are with the new engine, performance issues, and the clunkiness of the UI.

Engine Changes
Now I don’t hugely mind the Engine change - but this just leaves so many ethical questions. Norton now relies on Avast’s engine with some modifications, while still using Symantec’s firewall and intrusion prevention systems. I have a feeling this is going to leave more vulnerability to threats as there is one less scanner on the market which hackers can work to trying to bypass. I believe the only positive change of the new engine change is Norton can pick up on PUPs a little more, but otherwise a waste of good code.

Furthermore, Avast is available as a free product, whereas Norton is a paid solution. It is concerning to see Norton adopting a protection engine so similar to that of a free alternative, especially when subscription costs have not decreased. In fact, they have increased. I argue this is raising legitimate questions about the value proposition for paying customers.

Performance
This comes as a side effect with Norton transitioning to the clunky Avast software. Norton has become extremely resource-heavy. According to my Task Manager, it’s running several background processes that, combined, use over 300MB of RAM while idle. Norton on V22 usually used less than 50MB on the highest settings. This is a major downgrade to the user experience and something that should be addressed.

Clunky UI
The new UI in this release has been really non-intuitive and clunky. I have to click on more things to alter settings, and is often confusing to navigate. The old Norton UI had everything neatly labeled, and I could enter into advanced settings to change how Norton handled threats. The pop-ups also now appear right in the center of the screen, which is extremely invasive. The old V22 was far superior in this regard.

I’ll give Norton some credit; the updated Quarantine feature could have been a good change. But even something this basic wasn’t implemented properly. When I upgraded to V24, I ran the Eicar test file to see how Norton would handle it. It did detect the file and quarantined it, which was expected. But when I tried to delete it from Quarantine, nothing happened. The file just sat there, and clicking ‘delete’ didn’t do a thing. Now, six months later with V25, the issue is still there. Honestly, that kind of oversight makes the whole version feel unfinished, like it’s still in beta compared to how stable and reliable V22 was.

Thank you to @SoulAsylum, and all the Norton Guru’s who have been on this thread proposing solutions till these issues are ironed out. I know I could migrate back to V22; but this is simply not worth the hassle, and it looks like forced updates are occurring regardless if updating is disabled. I also don’t think downgrading back is a good solution to the numerous problems in this mainstream version. In its current state, V24 and V25 feel like a step backward for long-time Norton users.

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Wow!! It looks like everybody jumped ship here. I just thought I’d report that I received an update this morning to V25.4. I’ll report back if I notice it fixed anything. If so, at this point I’d be shocked.
@Napoleon_B – I really enjoyed reading your comment above. Cheers!

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@majorbuzz I’m still around although not posting in this thread a lot lately. Believe me when I say, I also have a few reasons to track what this fiasco’s direction takes. Those reasons are in several places on the forums but as a customer myself, and Guru. I will advocate for we the customer every chance that presents itself, while, doing the level best to keep users from abandoning Norton. At some point there has to be a reckoning between the differences of corporate need and how customers needs drive that bottom line. I have lost one device due to overheating (TjMAX temps ) while updating Windows 11 to 24H2. That device was on Norton version 22.24.8.36 at the time, Norton just decided to force it to version 25.xx at the same time Windows was updating. Matters were worse due to not being at home when it took place. Bottom line is, the Norton EULA. I have zero recourse as we all don’t so I replaced the PC and moved on. Forgetting it happened is another thing. Watching the thread I am MOST CERTAINLY doing. :upside_down_face:

SA

Hey @SoulAsylum , it’s good to hear from you. I guess what’s happening, or not happening with Norton has become too gripping for us to just let go. In brief, I’ve been in touch with Level three twice on the phone. All they do is take my logs and tell me they’ll be in touch within 48 hours. It’s been weeks now, and I haven’t heard a thing, and this whole thing started in October and they haven’t even been curious to do a remote desktop. Their support simply couldn’t be worse.

I’m so sorry to hear about what happened to your computer. I would have been madder than hell, but yep, their EULA protects them, which of course is the what EULA’s are all about. I wish I could get in touch with GenDynamics customer support. I’d show them this thread and the one before it and what Norton is doing to my PC. Stay well SA.

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Thank you, you do the same. Just reading the announcement for the latest 25.xx version release. We are 7 months into the release of the new Avast engine based A/V. One solitary correction was made, at least that is all that is included in the post. Backup status icon settings. So much is still lacking and being ignored. User settings functionality isn’t discussed, CPU throttling, the list is long, so I’m leaving it right there for everyone to use the new release and see how it has changed “under the hood” or hasn’t for them. Nothing important has changed for me to get back onto the new releases as of today. It likely won’t going forward. I’m not risking another PC for that.

SA

@SoulAsylum … You know, it would be nice when Norton is so proud posting about their new update to 25.4, if they would list the new features (none) and what exactly they fixed (???) like Firefox and others do.
I just renewed for another year for a deep discount because I believe it actually is protecting me. This whole talking with level three is really all about nothing. Everybody here knows that there is nothing Norton can do to their individual devices, we all know since V24 that it’s the software itself that appears it’s never even been beta tested.
Well that’s my thoughts for today. :grinning_face:
Sure hope some of the other guys check in if they have something to say. I thought about tagging them, but thought better of that idea.

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I tried out Cloud Backup when the 25.4 upgrade came through and it STILL does not work at all. Just shameful. Anyone who is using Cloud Backup should check to make sure that what they want backed up is really getting saved.

Thank you to @majorbuzz and @SoulAsylum for your comments.

Hi @Mitch.Green. After reading through this thread, and the one before it dealing with V24 (The so called changing of the guard from good ol 22) the cloud backup not working is a major bone of contention. Since V24 there have been 8 upgrades. Nobody has mentioned one of their complaints being fixed. I hope you read my thoughts 2 comments up on that. I myself backup windows 10 manually into 3 locations, so I don’t know if the one with this suite would work for me.
Cheers and Good luck, I don’t think we’re going to win this fight, it’s simply been going on way too long. :sad_but_relieved_face:

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Hello @majorbuzz . It makes me feel better than I’m not the only one having issues. I’m just waiting until my current subscription runs out and will likely just bail out then.

Thanks for your comments. I did in fact take your suggestions and came up with a plan for multiple local backup plus OneDrive. It turns out that there are many alternatives so it is not life and death.

I just don’t like paying for a product like Norton that doesn’t work and isn’t being fixed. I certain would sell any Gen Digital stock if I owned any. Just shameful.

But it helps to know there are people like you who care about the others who are also having these problems.

@Mitch.Green – That’s quite a color green you paired up with your screen name. I like it!
Oh, there are so many ways to back up your PC. My problem is I live in South Florida (The Lightning Capital of The World), so I don’t want to leave an external drive attached to my PC.
Although I almost achieve a gig downstream speed, Xfinity upload at best is like 300Mbps. So I’m kind of stuck. So once a month I spend less than an hour to back up locally and call it a day. If something needs to be backed up in-between, I have a “TEMP” USB drive for that. Endless I tell ya. :slightly_smiling_face:
As for V25, PC World did a long article with lab tests galore and Norton 360 V24 was the winner. Maybe it’s on the level, I’d like to think that everything isn’t broken with it.
I will tell you that almost everybody who went elsewhere went to Bitfender Total. There were a few things about it that didn’t suit my fancy. Like you said there’s a lot out there. Please let me know what you decide Mitch, just because I’m nosy. LOL

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@majorbuzz You are officially on my interested parties list!

You do not have a UPS? With a proper ground you should be fine. I have 165 events logged on my UPS. That means it had some sort of brown out, black out, or power spike at some point. But I never lost power to PC. As that what its supposed to do . :slight_smile:

I am not defending norton at all here, but your CPU cooler is to blame, and/or thermal paste is drying out. As the CPU cooler should be able to handle a full load regardless. So if CPU is at full load on all cores, the cooler shouldnt have a problem keeping temps below the junction point.

If you have any OC settings this may also not allow the CPU to throttle to help bring temps down. I would also look into that.

Yes, it stinks that this has happened to you bit it was def due to a faulty cooler or dried paste. I would look into that to prevent any issues in the future.

Thank you @majorbuzz! I appreciate the contributions you have made on this thread, all has been useful as we try in hope of rectifying these issues. And while many of us, including myself, are frustrated, I am glad we are all not jumping ship, as that is not the solution. It’s clear we care enough to stick around and look for real solutions, and I think this thread has done a great job of showing that.

Right now though, with it being over around 6 months since Norton made the switch to Avast, it looks like we are stuck with this version and its numerous problems.

Honestly, I do wonder why Gen Digital’s management is making these decisions. In fact, every single Gen Digital antivirus product now uses the same Avast Engine. I believe the only exception is Avira, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that product eventually makes the switch. Customer support also has been little help, and the lack of communication is just not solving a problem.

Gen Digital, please read,

These are your active customers, they use your services and pay you the money that makes you rich. You owe them acknowledgement, and we shouldn’t feel beneath you as customers.

This doesn’t mean I’m suggesting Gen Digital needs to bend their knee to all of us, I’m simply saying they need to productively communicate with the customers and us, as ignoring them is disrespectful. For instance, Gen Digital, with the numerous issues dotting the V24 and 25 releases of Norton, and your customers are getting frustrated, you need to openly communicate your plans with the community and customers.

Just tell us, just show us - you hear our concerns, or you are working on solutions. Or working on something—anything—other than ‘under-the-hood-changes’ for the very version that still feels in beta.

If I were the community manager, I would recognize the frustrations of customers, I would actively respond, as brushing aside a problem doesn’t make it go away, it makes it worse. I feel like we’ve had very little communication for all the feedback and effort we’ve added in these forum posts. I do appreciate the Norton Guru’s for their aid, but we need more direct staff responses.

Realization of this is hurting. I hear you, and honestly, I can’t blame you for feeling that way. This has been going on for a long time, and progress has been slow at best. It’s frustrating to feel like we’re not being heard, especially when these are real issues that impact everyday users. We are just a minority who have time to express these issues.

That said, I still think it’s worth speaking up. Even if we don’t see immediate change, continuing to voice concerns sends a message - silence only signals acceptance. If nothing else, it shows that people are paying attention, and that there’s a standard the customers have expected to need. That kind of determination can still make a difference, even if it takes time.

Thank you to all in this thread for their contributions and keeping all of updated. @Mitch.Green - your responses have been very thoughtful as well. All input is appreciated!

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Hi @Arugula177. Sure I have a UPS. It’s my third one. They were all purchased at Best Buy. One got fried during one of our typical summer storms that got just too close to my home. Lightning struck a tree right across the street. It blew the UPS out, as well as just about half the computer related things that were plugged through it. I think they’re great for just what they are supposed to do, but after what happened, I prefer to be cautious when practical. These storms can be fierce.

Hi @Napoleon_B. Everything you say is so true unfortunately. Only one Norton admin has blessed us with her presence on one of these two threads. That was to tell a participant to have a nicer attitude. I tagged her here and wrote her a message to see if she could give me any info at all. As I suspected, I never heard back.

I’ve called Norton support enough times that I finally made it to level 3 where this nice AMERICAN young lady said she was going to take over my case. She promised, as did every other tech to call back within 48 hours, but I guess 48 hours to them can mean a week, a month. Not one tech has ever done a remote desktop so I could point out in my security history what I’m seeing. I must have given them my 6 tales of woe at least as many times, but all they want are my logs. I’ve asked them what the deal is, are you going to pay some attention to my PC, or are you going to continue to dance around this situation of broken software we were forced to take. The standard answer … “Let me talk to my team leaders” and get back to you. This has been going on since October. In my eyes, I see exactly what is going on here. Norton support is in a bind because they aren’t the ones that fix broken software coding. After roughly 6 updates, it’s apparent that the development team can’t either. Sure, they are all polite, but where does that get you?

You write very well. I would be shocked if Gen Digital read your letter, and actually wrote SOMETHING here, but I don’t believe that’s going to happen. In fact, I haven’t been able to find a single way to get in touch with the proper division of GD. They don’t want to hear from us. That right there speaks volumes as you know Napoleon.